Show the Proof/Evidences

[DeVore]

As we can see, The Banned Persons has an evidence on things/incident they've done. But You must let us view or see the Evidences and Proofs of Banned Users. Why? Because we have the right to see them, and criticize them.

The Proofs said : HERE!, But after clicking it, We can't access it. and Many Players are curious with the Banned Users.. Not just me. So let the community to see the PROOFS.

 

[♥Linda♥]

there were suggestions making the report section private so players wont try to delete their characters,now you want it to be visible again? lol
if someone gets banned he can make appeal and we will show him the proof.

 

[HotStuff]

there were suggestions making the report section private so players wont try to delete their characters,now you want it to be visible again? lol
if someone gets banned he can make appeal and we will show him the proof.

Not everyone has the time to create these ban appeal bull****.
The only solution would be to create a custom section where only trusted members, or at least those with more than 200 posts, could see it.

 

[Maslaczek]

Unfair for member's, make that, if someone have more that 300+ then can see all thread's in Report Section.

 

[MISKAAA]

Unfair for member's, make that, if someone have more that 300+ then can see all thread's in Report Section.

+1

 

[SPY]

Thats my character ... ( my brother us it ..... sorry.

 

[SierraCypt]

If you want it public again, I suggest you form a panel of JURY. This group of people will be the special and privileged ones who can see the proof, and decide for themselves whether or not the punishment is suitable. Of course, the final decision still goes to the administrators.

Jury: a group of persons sworn to render a verdict or true answer on a question or questions officially submitted to them.

These group of people stand on equal terms as the GFX members, and have no special access to the game or forum whatsoever.

EDIT: Didn't know someone dug up an old thread again. My bad!

 

[Classi]

If you want it public again, I suggest you form a panel of JURY. This group of people will be the special and privileged ones who can see the proof, and decide for themselves whether or not the punishment is suitable. Of course, the final decision still goes to the administrators.

Jury: a group of persons sworn to render a verdict or true answer on a question or questions officially submitted to them.

These group of people stand on equal terms as the GFX members, and have no special access to the game or forum whatsoever.

EDIT: Didn't know someone dug up an old thread again. My bad!

A group of jury is a good idea. We, as members of Infinity, do have rights to criticize and decide whether the punishment is suitable or not. Some ban are ridiculously stupid and we can't access it or make our comments about it. This would be a good idea. +1

 

[SierraCypt]

A group of jury is a good idea. We, as members of Infinity, do have rights to criticize and decide whether the punishment is suitable or not. Some ban are ridiculously stupid and we can't access it or make our comments about it. This would be a good idea. +1

Because the staff team are afraid that this 'freedom" will invite a lot of flame war, ranting and nonsensical spams throughout. Therefore it had been made private to prevent this. But I think this panel of jury would be good as it controls the crowd (players), and yet provide a fair judgement on behalf of the infinitymu community.

 

[Abesta]

Make some Group or Post Limit to see it. I always wonder what they did. W/o hack section, forum too boring )

 

[Pikachu]

If you want it public again, I suggest you form a panel of JURY. This group of people will be the special and privileged ones who can see the proof, and decide for themselves whether or not the punishment is suitable. Of course, the final decision still goes to the administrators.

Jury: a group of persons sworn to render a verdict or true answer on a question or questions officially submitted to them.

These group of people stand on equal terms as the GFX members, and have no special access to the game or forum whatsoever.

EDIT: Didn't know someone dug up an old thread again. My bad!

This is kinda like "Supporter"

@Topic After banning the person, staff should post the SS ( if the person is banned for insulting, spamming, AP, AC, this is not applied with advertising criminal ) and the video ( if the person is banned for SH, ... ) in the ban thread so that people can consider too.

:blank:

 

[ExitiuM]

from another post, with same topic

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On most of countries around the world, the court proceedings are public. This wont be the exception.

I dont know why all reports are under "restricted access". Protecting reporters? Make proofs private?
Staff can save proofs on their computers, if my second theory is right "Make proofs private?" ofc.

lets see more opinions
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[TechN9ne]

As we can see, The Banned Persons has an evidence on things/incident they've done. But You must let us view or see the Evidences and Proofs of Banned Users. Why? Because we have the right to see them, and criticize them.

The Proofs said : HERE!, But after clicking it, We can't access it. and Many Players are curious with the Banned Users.. Not just me. So let the community to see the PROOFS.

Why do you have to care about other reports and banned players? There's staff members to criticize and punish bad players. If you are banned then make ban appeal and staff will show you proofs.

 

[Titan]

TechN9ne said all. it was enough from players who felt "pro" and tried to turn Staffs opinion about the reports. you need to know the game rules and the forum rules and dont mind with other banned players. they have their own account and we will show him the proof why he is banned if he make a ban appeal. its good how it is now, dont worry the staff team can decide together about the situations and we prevent the character deletions.

 

[SierraCypt]

Why do you have to care about other reports and banned players? There's staff members to criticize and punish bad players. If you are banned then make ban appeal and staff will show you proofs.

Wrong, why shouldn't we bother about the reports? Yes, you're right and we don't care about the players who are banned, but we have the rights to see what are the mistakes that are done and learn from it. Knowing the rules is one thing, but if you always hide the evidence from us, how are we supposed to know what is right and what is wrong? This is the policy of transparency.

Yes the reasons may be "bug abusing" for example, but what exactly it is? Isn't it a term that is too generic? What exactly are the things that are done wrong from the accused, so that we can learn. Take real world cases for example, most of the court cases (muder etc) are made public. Why? So that we know what has been done and what the punishments were, even though we know that the actions of the offender is wrong.

Showing us the proof is a way of teaching us what exactly is wrong, because you can never be too sure. It can prevent us from saying "How is that hacking? I didn't know this was considered a bug!" And a useless ban appeal will come up. If anyone were to commit the same mistake, use previous evidences and shove it up our faces to shut us up.

And like what ExitiuM had said, are you trying to protect your staff from the unbiased community?

No one is perfect, and neither is your judgement

Quote me If i'm wrong.

 

[Titan]

yes youre Wrong.
What is wrong or what is not its clearly written in the game rules.
and as i see u dont see the most important thing of hiding the report section: to prevent players to delete their characters!

To protect the Staff from the community?? lol what are u talking about?? >.> ... nonsense

 

[SierraCypt]

yes youre Wrong.
What is wrong or what is not its clearly written in the game rules.
and as i see u dont see the most important thing of hiding the report section: to prevent players to delete their characters!

To protect the Staff from the community?? lol what are u talking about?? >.> ... nonsense

Rules are written, but has it been enforced? Have the so called "written" rules reduce or complete stop players from hacking or exploiting bugs? Are the players completely aware of what is exactly wrong? Or are you bluntly assuming that we know?

And your point is to prevent player from deleting their characters? Isn't that just the minority? How about the majority of the players who play legitimately and wants to know what exactly went wrong? Are you chucking us aside?

"Protecting the staff from the community" is merely a possibility and it may not be true. Honestly how would we normal registered players know what lies behind the curtains? Are the staff team willing enough to be transparent and expose whatever is done among yourself, to us average players?

The media is infamously known for hiding and altering the truth in their reports. Whatever the reasons may be, whether or not it is to protect corrupt government officials etc. We will never know, but one thing we will know, is that whatever that is done, is to the protect the interest of the parties involved. This is real world application, how is this nonsense may I ask?

And before you're mistaken, let me clarify something. I'm not saying that the Staff team is at the fault here. I'm speaking for open transparency for us players.

 

[Titan]

Just to clarify this situation:

we've decided to make the report section private, so now only the staff can look at the reports and of course the thread starter, we've made this change in order to prevent flaming, character deletions (even though we can trace your deleted character), and make the reports more anonimous, we believe this will help the reports to be dealt with easier and faster, and will also help the GMs to not take Hasty decisions.

It will also be wise if people wouldn't spam in chat box "GM check my report, GM Ban him asap" etc, one of the reasons we did this change is also to avoid this kind of spam in CB, since now the reports are "Anonimous" there is no reason for you to call out your reports in public and push the GMs to read them, that way you push them to take hasty desicions.

Regards,
Infinity MU Administration.

Clear reason and explanation. And its good how it is now

 

[RESiSTANT]

In each ban thread is posted the reason of the ban. If proof isn't posted then it's probably an advertising and we can provide it via Private Message to the player who was banned. I don't see anything wrong to show hack reports we can do that for sure, but for Advertising and Insulting reports it's not possible.