About Lag abuse

[powerpots]

Dear Staff members and Infinitians,


I have one idea about to solve a given issue.As we know,there got just 2 way which is possible to fix it:

First is just blocking WTFast Servers (USA/Japan/Russia etc) - It will be useless,because most of guys are really using this Program to reduce Lags and getting Low Ping.But just Blocking the Servers which is usefull for Abyss,would be pretty nice.

Second - I think,it would be better to get an old pot rate (unlimited,which depends on your Ping).

Before when i have join to the server,fights was much more interesting (without one hits).Low Damage,High Pot rate let us to fight enjoyable.But today,Damages has Increased more than 2x,Pot rate is Standartized and for sure whole server will abuse lag to play.

I would be happy to know every oppinion about it.



/Cheers

 

[MuBM]

Shifting back to unlimited pot rate will make the server have lesser players else they will use hacks to have fast pots as well. Dont think for the sake of a few people, think for the sake of all the people here especially majority or 50% of the players here are not from europe. If there's someone who abuses lag, you can record and report it. I still remember when we have a unlimited pot rate here, there are some who doesnt even wear a gear neither accs and they can tank a few players attacking them which is making it unfair. Goodluck anyway.

 

[powerpots]

Shifting back to unlimited pot rate will make the server have lesser players else they will use hacks to have fast pots as well. Dont think for the sake of a few people, think for the sake of all the people here especially majority or 50% of the players here are not from europe. If there's someone who abuses lag, you can record and report it. I still remember when we have a unlimited pot rate here, there are some who doesnt even wear a gear neither accs and they can tank a few players attacking them which is making it unfair. Goodluck anyway.

There is only one program was known to reduce ping and getting higher pot rate and it has been blocked.If something like that will happen again,i think it can be blocked asap.But Lag Abusing can not be controlled by the other way.Let there will be 5% I Love InfinityMU around but not 99% Abusers.Guys who does not any idea about how to combo,but rocks around with his X7+Lag abusing,it hurts me a lot.
If pot rate will be higher,it doesnt change Lag Abusers playstile,they will still rock around and will achieve to kill normal pot user but a bit harder than before.Bcz they got too High Damage and they can do "INCREDIBLE WOW" Combos.But at least,players like let me say "Trivela",which play fair and real pro,will keep their crown up.

Im just surprized,Trivela is a guy which has rocked around 3 year but now,all kills him easily like a sht.It hurts a lot to tell the truth.
Theres no one from the old and gold rest players,which has played very well.
From the passt,lots of things changed.With this high damage,possible to hit one time everyone and theres pot rate useless for overall.
It is not possible now to handle pvp without an items.

ADD:Which is fair then in your oppinion?

-To play fair with 6 pot rate,and killing by any kinda abuser

or let me say

-To play fair with 10 pot rate,and rocking around?

Before system was like that:

°Who has a high pot rate,he will rock.

Current pvp system:

°Who has a nice Ping Server+WTFast Advanced and Incredible Macro Script he is hardcore.

Abusers will abuse always their lags,its nonstopable and will not.Just one way is to change PVP System.
Theres a lots of players will agree with me about,PVP System got fapped,and we are not proud.

 

[Chanz]

Second - I think,it would be better to get an old pot rate (unlimited,which depends on your Ping).

For me a Big no! The hackers will be happy, if this will be or be given a chance. Because of faster pots with no delay at all, just like MuBM some of players will use hacks for faster pots. We will be having a headache if this will happen, especially our Game Master's they always ban players using AP. Btw good luck...

 

[MuBM]

There is only one program was known to reduce ping and getting higher pot rate and it has been blocked.If something like that will happen again,i think it can be blocked asap.But Lag Abusing can not be controlled by the other way.Let there will be 5% I Love InfinityMU around but not 99% Abusers.Guys who does not any idea about how to combo,but rocks around with his X7+Lag abusing,it hurts me a lot.
If pot rate will be higher,it doesnt change Lag Abusers playstile,they will still rock around and will achieve to kill normal pot user but a bit harder than before.Bcz they got too High Damage and they can do "INCREDIBLE WOW" Combos.But at least,players like let me say "Trivela",which play fair and real pro,will keep their crown up.

Im just surprized,Trivela is a guy which has rocked around 3 year but now,all kills him easily like a sht.It hurts a lot to tell the truth.
Theres no one from the old and gold rest players,which has played very well.
From the passt,lots of things changed.With this high damage,possible to hit one time everyone and theres pot rate useless for overall.
It is not possible now to handle pvp without an items.

ADD:Which is fair then in your oppinion?

-To play fair with 6 pot rate,and killing by any kinda abuser

or let me say

-To play fair with 10 pot rate,and rocking around?

Abusers will abuse always their lags,its nonstopable and will not.Just one way is to change PVP System.
Theres a lots of players will agree with me about,PVP System got fapped,and we are not proud.

-To play fair with 6 pot rate,and killing by any kinda abuser

I choose this one, so tell me is it that hard to record a low graphic usage game and report some abusers? Yes? so thats why your posting this suggestion? The person your calling Trivela, you called him a pro right? If he/she is pro we will not hear any complains from him everytime there's a PVP System changes. Every changes is made to make the server fair and balanced(not sure with ubers though). I wont spam any longer here, goodluck on your suggestion.

 

[powerpots]

For me a Big no! The hackers will be happy, if this will be or be given a chance. Because of faster pots with no delay at all, just like MuBM some of players will use hacks for faster pots. We will be having a headache if this will happen, especially our Game Master's they always ban players using AP. Btw good luck...

Btw let me add something:

abusers are still using this program if its currently have.How?

Easy,6 pot/sec+abusing lag.

-To play fair with 6 pot rate,and killing by any kinda abuser

I choose this one, so tell me is it that hard to record a low graphic usage game and report some abusers? Yes? so thats why your posting this suggestion? The person your calling Trivela, you called him a pro right? If he/she is pro we will not hear any complains from him everytime there's a PVP System changes. Every changes is made to make the server fair and balanced(not sure with ubers though). I wont spam any longer here, goodluck on your suggestion.

Lol? then Dreams should to BAN OVERALL Server,bcz as i know he can check on WTFast Locations.

 

[Prada]

Hai,

I tried my best but couldn't ignore this case since i am the one who shared this kind of illegal stuff.
For more info visit the given link.

http://forum.infinitymu.net/showthread.php?89181-lol12345&highlight=lol12345

First case i would like to touch,



To say that choosing a far country from your current location is a lag abuse , it is a specualtion of people who have no idea. People whose knowledge's is lower than my belt talking haughtily about lag abuse even tho the all they know among these words is just a ,,ping,, . It is stupidly to ban someone for using a USA server because , when i click on best ping test for my game , there appears a list of PINGS. In this list there is a USA server that gives me 170 ping , at the same time there is a Europe server that gives me the same Ping. So what does it mean exactly , Europe is nearer to me than USA but they both gives me the same ping , so banning someone for using USA server is not a right action at all since i can abuse it by using EU server too. It is the first case i would like to touch .

Second case i would like to touch,

If in your opinion using a wtf or PZ programs and to get HIGH pings from them is a lag abuse then why it doesnt strikes the PH and USA people ? Their pings are really high and distrubs the game but noone gives a shot about it. So does it mean that lag abuse are allowed to the half of server while permitted for another half? Doesnt it looks a bit unjustice ?

Third case is about more reality,

I reproach the people who calls it a lag abuse. Abusing a lag is something when 4 players dies at the same time and 1 guy do just 1 Twisting and gets lost. A lag is something when you're abusing it for seal at Castle Sieges. Lag stops the animation of your game and you're easily filling up the seconds. Opening 10 browsers with youtube videos and killing a GM in kill the boss event in a few hits , it is a lag abuse . Choosing far countries in wtfast or pz is not an abuse and calling it abuse is just a lack of wisdom and intellect of players.
I feel sorry for the people who counts it as an abusing of lag , i feel sorry for you.


OffTopic,

To powerpots,

Blocking USA servers won't change anything at all. As i mentioned above , there are few EU servers that gives high ping either. There're many different locations that lags your game so if you want to stop it , you have to block Wtfast not only few locations.

And plus , if you think that abuse gives you a beastmode so let me stop you right there. A golden rule , if you want to get something you have to give something instead.When you're getting lags , you're dying faster , so when you are abusing a lag you're actually giving victim some of your potion rate cooldown.

 

[powerpots]

Hai,

Second case i would like to touch,

If in your opinion using a wtf or PZ programs and to get HIGH pings from them is a lag abuse then why it doesnt strikes the PH and USA people ? Their pings are really high and distrubs the game but noone gives a shot about it. So does it mean that lag abuse are allowed to the half of server while permitted for another half? Doesnt it looks a bit unjustice ?

Third case is about more reality,

I reproach the people who calls it a lag abuse. Abusing a lag is something when 4 players dies at the same time and 1 guy do just 1 Twisting and gets lost. A lag is something when you're abusing it for seal at Castle Sieges. Lag stops the animation of your game and you're easily filling up the seconds. Opening 10 browsers with youtube videos and killing a GM in kill the boss event in a few hits , it is a lag abuse . Choosing far countries in wtfast or pz is not an abuse and calling it abuse is just a lack of wisdom and intellect of players.
I feel sorry for the people who counts it as an abusing of lag , i feel sorry for you.


OffTopic,

To powerpots,

Blocking USA servers won't change anything at all. As i mentioned above , there are few EU servers that gives high ping either. There're many different locations that lags your game so if you want to stop it , you have to block Wtfast not only few locations.

And plus , if you think that abuse gives you a beastmode so let me stop you right there. A golden rule , if you want to get something you have to give something.When you're getting lags , you're dying faster , so when you are abusing a lag you're actually giving victim some of your potion rate cooldown.

As a founder of Lag Abuse,you are right and have a lot information about it.
You are GOD,bcz you made everyone POWERFULL,but from the another side,you are SLAVE,because whom you made POWERFULL,already playing AGAINST YOU ARE.

Im also not agree to blocking any WTFast Server.But as a main opponnet to this trick,is just making a pot rate unlimited,like as before.

I have made such kind of Reports,but recieved answer like as:

"They are from PH thats why they got lags".Huh,as you focus on Bananas,there is no one or not more than 5 from PH didnt got banned because of Lag Usage.But what about EU Citizens?

 

[Deli]

im also agree about to find a kind of way which will reduce lag abusers. in my oppinion theres only one way is just making a potrate like as before. fights are too short today and who will hit first he will kill you. it is not fair by the other way if even pot rates will be higher fights will be a bit longer but not so much bcz of high damage set and weapons​

 

[Flippy]

Hai,

I tried my best but couldn't ignore this case since i am the one who shared this kind of illegal stuff.
For more info visit the given link.


First case i would like to touch,



To say that choosing a far country from your current location is a lag abuse , it is a specualtion of people who have no idea. People whose knowledge's is lower than my belt talking haughtily about lag abuse even tho the all they know among these words is just a ,,ping,, . It is stupidly to ban someone for using a USA server because , when i click on best ping test for my game , there appears a list of PINGS. In this list there is a USA server that gives me 170 ping , at the same time there is a Europe server that gives me the same Ping. So what does it mean exactly , Europe is nearer to me than USA but they both gives me the same ping , so banning someone for using USA server is not a right action at all since i can abuse it by using EU server too. It is the first case i would like to touch .

Second case i would like to touch,

If in your opinion using a wtf or PZ programs and to get HIGH pings from them is a lag abuse then why it doesnt strikes the PH and USA people ? Their pings are really high and distrubs the game but noone gives a shot about it. So does it mean that lag abuse are allowed to the half of server while permitted for another half? Doesnt it looks a bit unjustice ?

Third case is about more reality,

I reproach the people who calls it a lag abuse. Abusing a lag is something when 4 players dies at the same time and 1 guy do just 1 Twisting and gets lost. A lag is something when you're abusing it for seal at Castle Sieges. Lag stops the animation of your game and you're easily filling up the seconds. Opening 10 browsers with youtube videos and killing a GM in kill the boss event in a few hits , it is a lag abuse . Choosing far countries in wtfast or pz is not an abuse and calling it abuse is just a lack of wisdom and intellect of players.
I feel sorry for the people who counts it as an abusing of lag , i feel sorry for you.


OffTopic,

To powerpots,

Blocking USA servers won't change anything at all. As i mentioned above , there are few EU servers that gives high ping either. There're many different locations that lags your game so if you want to stop it , you have to block Wtfast not only few locations.

And plus , if you think that abuse gives you a beastmode so let me stop you right there. A golden rule , if you want to get something you have to give something instead.When you're getting lags , you're dying faster , so when you are abusing a lag you're actually giving victim some of your potion rate cooldown.

VPN's are designed to be used in order to reduce your ping. Deliberatly choosing a further location than the server location...not to mention a different continent is treated as an abuse.

Natural lag works different than a "lag abusing VPN software" but i am not telling you new things..am i?

Every player of this server is bound to respect the game rules (accepted when he created an account). Disregarding those rules leads to different forms of punishments such as Character/Account Block or even IP Block or Inventory wipe.

Tracing an ip and banning an user is very simple but that's not what we are following. Understanding the rules and freely accepting to respect them is far more important than enforcing them.

And if lag abusing is not that helpful...why do you keep using it? Logic?

Geting back on subject, let's hear some more opinions. If we notice a good idea, we will surely run some tests to check it out.

 

[Prada]

VPN's are designed to be used in order to reduce your ping. Deliberatly choosing a further location than the server location...not to mention a different continent is treated as an abuse.

Natural lag works different than a "lag abusing VPN software" but i am not telling you new things..am i?

Every player of this server is bound to respect the game rules (accepted when he created an account). Disregarding those rules leads to different forms of punishments such as Character/Account Block or even IP Block or Inventory wipe.

Tracing an ip and banning an user is very simple but that's not what we are following. Understanding the rules and freely accepting to respect them is far more important than enforcing them.

And if lag abusing is not that helpful...why do you keep using it? Logic?

Geting back on subject, let's hear some more opinions. If we notice a good idea, we will surely run some tests to check it out.

Who said that abuse is not that helpful , i did not . I underlined that when you're choosing a far locations you're getting lag but losing few of your potion rate. For some people it is tragedy , for some it is not.
If i am not mistaken only 12%-15% of this server are europeans while the other 70% are PH , and the left percentages are different nations. While you're hunting that 12%-15% europeans blaming them on abusing a lag , the other 70% are freely using it without punishment. If you say that abusing a lag is contradictory to rules then how come that this rule are avaliable for more than half of the server ?
Banning players is not solving a problem. By banning player you're escepaing server from few abusers while other players replacing them. With this activity you're going to hunt them all over your life. If you want to fix the problem , you have to decide what to do with that programs not with players. Once the program disabled , the problem will be fixed. Ban the program , not the players.

 

[GARP]

i agree in that matter if u block the wtfast and pz and other similar programs
the lag abuse will stop as for the phill players u can make the pot rate lower like 2-3 sec so all would be around same pot rate

 

[Flippy]

Who said that abuse is not that helpful , i did not . I underlined that when you're choosing a far locations you're getting lag but losing few of your potion rate. For some people it is tragedy , for some it is not.
If i am not mistaken only 12%-15% of this server are europeans while the other 70% are PH , and the left percentages are different nations. While you're hunting that 12%-15% europeans blaming them on abusing a lag , the other 70% are freely using it without punishment. If you say that abusing a lag is contradictory to rules then how come that this rule are avaliable for more than half of the server ?
Banning players is not solving a problem. By banning player you're escepaing server from few abusers while other players replacing them. With this activity you're going to hunt them all over your life. If you want to fix the problem , you have to decide what to do with that programs not with players. Once the program disabled , the problem will be fixed. Ban the program , not the players.

Well first of all don't estimate % values, you can't get close to them without certain info.
Now...those few players you talk about, they deliberatly use a VPN software to increase their ping to obtain advantages in PvP. A high latency can not compare and will never be compared to an artificial induced lag within a tunnel connection. They are completly different things. Never compare them again.
For a handful of players who abuse the VPN softwares we do not consider blocking the programs. We would only block fair players chances to decrease their ping in order to have a proper gameplay. Therefor i would resume to banning 2-3-4-5 or what ever number of players in order to provide a better enviroment for those who try to play fair and have a competitive gameplay.

Regarding the two proposed ideas till now :
Increase/decrease pot rate will unballance the gameplay some more :
A)Increasing pot rate > lower chances for players with a high ping
B)Decreasing pot rate > unballancing PvP System due to Uber Options.

Blocking some servers / full VPN softwares :
A)Blocking some servers cannot be done as far as i know
B)Blocking the VPN's completly > trashing high ping players possibility to reduce their latency considerably.

As i previously mentioned, any idea can be tested.
For now things are simple and ballanced, we will keep blocking users for braking the server rules.

 

[Prada]

The blocking wtfast is once been discussed in this server before and even been banned for this server. But since there were no potion-delay , it broke the balance and distrubed the people's game.
Now it is different. Test your pot with and without program , no difference at all due to the potion cooldown at the server. Just in case if your internet connection doesnt sck it won't affect your game.
You're throwing a bone to a dog and when the dog grabs the bone you're shooting him. You're leaving the wtfast avaliable for the server and when they abuse it you're ba..... (and so on).(It is a logic of a businessman who wants to earn alot of money) Now try to realize how many players have no a forum account , have no idea about this thread and dont gives a shot about abuse , how you're going to inform them about it ? If you want to know my opinion then i would spit on wtfast , i would spit on abuse and i would spit on banned acounts even of mine. I would spit at everything that tries to catch me somehow , but this thread has been opened with a purpose of how to solve the problem and there is only 1 way to fix it is to block the prog.

As i mentioned above and reminding you know , blocking that prog won't affect anyone's game that much . If it affects then change your internet provider and get a better one. A true example is Aga . He never used wtfast or pz but he do what he do .

Don't take my posts so serious and close to heart , powerpots made a suggestion and it was just an opinion , if it is unnedeed information then just step aside and leave it. Or if you noticed any interesting part , take a note. Simple as that.

 

[Trivela]

Theres just 2 ways to fix the problem:
1st: These days, almost everyone recording all the duels / pvp against his opponent - so if someone abusing, its simple to be catched. Solution > IP ban MUST be activated. Cuz usually the abusers has 3,4+ accounts and they dnt care if they lose any of them. IP Ban will gonna help a lot in this case.
2nd: Blocking the programs which helps abusing to live.

 

[powerpots]

Theres just 2 ways to fix the problem:
1st: These days, almost everyone recording all the duels / pvp against his opponent - so if someone abusing, its simple to be catched. Solution > IP ban MUST be activated. Cuz usually the abusers has 3,4+ accounts and they dnt care if they lose any of them. IP Ban will gonna help a lot in this case.
2nd: Blocking the programs which helps abusing to live.

Absolutely Agree with it.It would be great to ADD a new main Rule about Lag Abusers.If Staff will catch that someone use it,person will recieve Banana Island from IP and Permanent.

Also,please lets share about it every oppinion and make a decision.At the end we can vote for,and make sure about.

/Cheers

 

[Luigir]

Theres just 2 ways to fix the problem:
1st: These days, almost everyone recording all the duels / pvp against his opponent - so if someone abusing, its simple to be catched. Solution > IP ban MUST be activated. Cuz usually the abusers has 3,4+ accounts and they dnt care if they lose any of them. IP Ban will gonna help a lot in this case.
2nd: Blocking the programs which helps abusing to live.

as you know, WTFast usually gives an advantage of some abuse in game, ask Prada.
Somehow, the point isn't certainly clear at all since we have higher ping users. Most of them cannot reduce such terrible delays except you have to use the program as known WTfast or pinzapper.

btw Pinzapper is quite helpfull regarding MS or ping issues, this is a third program, coz that's how it's called nowadays.
The main purpose in your suggestion is a unbalance everything which it's placed till now.

 

[Trivela]

How about IP Ban then?
As I said theres around 10-15 people who are using these proggy to abuse, If they recieve IP ban, they wont be able to play anymore. Follow the logic, then the other side of the people using the same proggy's - WTF or PZ, they will continue using the proggy for better gameplay, not for abusing ( they wont be included in the black list ).

 

[powerpots]

Just a only one way,blocking every ping reducer programs,since there is pots got limited.So let EUs will pot per second 5,PHs 3 or 4,but at least there will be at least equal and balanced game.

 

[Trivela]

If Im not mistaken, as u says " So let EUs will pot per second 5,PHs 3 or 4 ", by blockin the ping reducers programs, PH people wont have a chance to use thse 3 or 4 pots cuz of too high ping, if that become possible ( changing the pot delay ) they will use WTF or PZ to recieve 3-4 pots/s. So by blockin the programs we wont handle with the problem... Maybe theres no way to be fixed, only dangerous from HUGE BAN is the way, nothing else.