Discussion [Discussion]Non-violent Offenders/Violators

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Hi Infinity,

I hope that you will all take time to read and understand this discussion for the benefit of all.

I just want to open a discussion about some players who were involved on the GOLDEN RULE violators. First of all, I just wanna voice out to those who have been banned due to selling/buying involving real money situations. As you can see, most of the players are from the Philippines. And as you heard this country, only few of us(coz i am also a Filipino)are donators. Most of them cannot do donating due to no chance of having that kind of amount to donate. Also most Filipinos are lazy to read the "terms and conditions" or the "rules" itself due to excitement on playing this server. Due to craving on having items to most newbies or new comers do that. As a newbie myself way back 2011 I was banned due to selling/buying items for real money.

I want to counter that kind of situations. And also at the same time promoting the server itself. Most of the you guys in here in the forum knows the rules and regulations. So I think you already know what would be the consequences. To those people who don't have forums you can actually guide them to the right path instead of reporting them directly. I know you want to help the server from this kind of violations, But as a supporter to this community you can always warn them what they are doing is wrong, and teach them to the right path, instead of going to the wrong direction. We are inviting more players, not throwing them away, Am I right? Instead you can advice them to vote instead, join events, invite them to register to forums. We have so many events the can join to. Aside from that we have Game Masters and Event Masters to make events for the benefit of the new comers or newly registered players.

If you all do that we can have more players and more voters, plus we can hit those goals that we always wanted, to be the number 1 server :)

Some of the players are hard headed and stubborn. If you can see them selling items in trade of other stuffs that doesn't involve infinitymu, you can warn them at first. If they insist then you can take the a Screen Shot on the warning that you said to the player, then you can report that person. There are some of the staff team who are online 24/7 you can actually guide them how the game is played. Advice them to read those rules, else they will get banned. I think you guys know what I am talking about right?


I hope you guys are reading this by heart. Sad to see most of those players who got permanently banned due to selling/buying items involving real money. I hope that you also got my point on what I am trying to do here. :)


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What exactly you trying to say ice..??
Don't take a ss for newbies selling/buying items instead make a warning first??..
I think not only newbies doing that bro..
 

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What exactly you trying to say ice..??
Don't take a ss for newbies selling/buying items instead make a warning first??..
I think not only newbies doing that bro..
If you ready my thread carefully. You can clearly see that I said you can take a Screen SHot together with the warning that you gave to the players who do such violations. Then you can report them.


please read my thread and understand.
 

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I understand what are you trying to say and you have a point there. I just want to share my opinion, this may be a good idea on caring for our players, but it may also cause that the one who's been reported will say that they were not been warned. That will be one of there reason if they got banned. How about instead of banning them permanent/365 days lessen it for the 1st time offender of this case, it will serve as there warning, then the 2nd time will be permanent/365 days.
Also as they joined this community its there responsibility to know the rules and guideline of our server before playing the game. Its not our fault if they didnt read it.

But I really appreciate this. Sir Iceman have always some ideas on his mind and at least he is trying to do for our community :)
 
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I understand what are you trying to say and you have a point there. I just want to share my opinion, this may be a good idea on caring for our players, but it may also cause that the one who's been reported will say that they were not been warned. That will be one of there reason if they got banned. How about instead of banning them permanent/365 days lessen it for the 1st time offender of this case, it will serve as there warning, then the 2nd time will be permanent/365 days.
Also as they joined this community its there responsibility to know the rules and guideline of our server before playing the game. Its not our fault if they didnt read it.

But I really appreciate this. Sir Iceman have always some ideas on his mind and at least he is trying to do for our community :)
After the Warned? What will gonna happen? I will offer my thumb to cut it if they will not gonna sell/buy their Items again. Same as the Hackers, Especially AP/AC After their month banned They will get caught up again coz of using same sh.it. What Is the purpose of having a Warning for that Profiting/Selling/Buying whatever you called that thing.?
 

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After the Warned? What will gonna happen? I will offer my thumb to cut it if they will not gonna sell/buy their Items again. Same as the Hackers, Especially AP/AC After their month banned They will get caught up again coz of using same sh.it. What Is the purpose of having a Warning for that Profiting/Selling/Buying whatever you called that thing.?
1st i did just tell my opinion,nothing more nothing less, 2nd if they did it on the 2nd time then they just prove that they deserve it no excuses. 3rd. My opinion is for the selling/buying violation only no more.

Everybody have the right to share there comments here thats why this thread was created I think.
What is on my mind is just everybody can change by learning there leasons. But 1once is enough twice is too much.
 

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Well I agree on what you said that we, the Filipinos can't always donate to the server. I've been there before and I can admit that I tried buying items for real money(but not here at Infinity) a long time ago because if you're still a kid, you don't have a credit card, and donating via Western Union is kinda expensive for us. But we simply can't tolerate players buying items for real money. I felt the same way as others do when you can't get the items you want. Also an important thing is we are talking about real money here. This isn't just a simple thing. Well I hope we could find a solution that benefits all players and make it a win win situation.
 

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1st i did just tell my opinion,nothing more nothing less, 2nd if they did it on the 2nd time then they just prove that they deserve it no excuses. 3rd. My opinion is for the selling/buying violation only no more.

Everybody have the right to share there comments here thats why this thread was created I think.
What is on my mind is just everybody can change by learning there leasons. But 1once is enough twice is too much.

So you meant to say at the first 1? there will be Excuse? "Oh man I need to sell my Items coz I need to help my Parents" and then his gonna say Okay Sir whatever your name is. I am sorry not gonna happen again. At the back stage. You know what is he doing? Still Selling he just gonna wait until you will left and there's another good guy caught him selling. Does that good guy knew that you already gave him an advice or Warning? coz he doesn't know that good guy gonna let it slip again coz "MAYBE" that seller didn't read the Rules.
 

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So you meant to say at the first 1? there will be Excuse? "Oh man I need to sell my Items coz I need to help my Parents" and then his gonna say Okay Sir whatever your name is. I am sorry not gonna happen again. At the back stage. You know what is he doing? Still Selling he just gonna wait until you will left and there's another good guy caught him selling. Does that good guy knew that you already gave him an advice or Warning? coz he doesn't know that good guy gonna let it slip again coz "MAYBE" that seller didn't read the Rules.
If you will read again my 1st comment i didnt say that we shouldnt punished those who were caught in the act selling/buying i just say that lessen the banned period and that will server as there warning. I hope you didnt get me wrong sir :)
 

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Well I agree on what you said that we, the Filipinos can't always donate to the server. I've been there before and I can admit that I tried buying items for real money(but not here at Infinity) a long time ago because if you're still a kid, you don't have a credit card, and donating via Western Union is kinda expensive for us. But we simply can't tolerate players buying items for real money. I felt the same way as others do when you can't get the items you want. Also an important thing is we are talking about real money here. This isn't just a simple thing. Well I hope we could find a solution that benefits all players and make it a win win situation.
Okay.. So because I can't afford to donate I'm just gonna sell this Items/Account so I can be STRONG So I can have a Uber damn I will be famous. xD. Does Everybody knows here about that FB Group it's about Selling/Buying. Whoever want it to volunteer to give them some Advice FEEL FREE. Coz I did before. They won't even give a sh.it

Benefits? there are so many opportunities to get Uber for FREE simply join some big Events put some Efforts on it. These people don't even need it to sell their Items (Money issues) to get uber. I don't think Giving a Warning to those roaches mind will help.

If you will read again my 1st comment i didnt say that we shouldnt punished those who were caught in the act selling/buying i just say that lessen the banned period and that will server as there warning. I hope you didnt get me wrong sir :)
OFC I Know what does lessen means. xD it is the same. Think Deeply. What you think gonna happen in the future? Losing Donations due increasing profits from these Roaches head.

If so. Dang those roaches head will gonna say we will gonna sell/ Im gonna buy items for Money coz they have update tho of the Banning Duration of SELLING/BUYING will be not Permanent again. If ever get caught just wait for Banned duration will expired not a problem.

Yeah That will make our Server to the top 1
 
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Okay.. So because I can't afford to donate I'm just gonna sell this Items/Account so I can be STRONG So I can have a Uber damn I will be famous. xD. Does Everybody knows here about that FB Group it's about Selling/Buying. Whoever want it to volunteer to give them some Advice FEEL FREE. Coz I did before. They won't even give a sh.it
I never said I would sell my account. :) correct me if I'm wrong that all players want uber sets right? But getting them for other players is very difficult as I said on my last post. :)
 

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I never said I would sell my account. :) correct me if I'm wrong that all players want uber sets right? But getting them for other players is very difficult as I said on my last post. :)
I agreed you didn't but as what I've understood it was your point. xD
 

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Hello Iceman,

When I was Game Master, I also was against banning people. We were chosen for to guide, not for to ban. You think I read InfinityMU's rules, when I registered? Not really :) But then I did. Let me tell you a little story. When I was GM, I tried to do this with those Real Money dealers. When I tried to guide them about rules, they just ignored me. So, I banned those players. Banning is not for make them go away from this game. Banning is a lesson. So they will get that, they are breaking a rule. But it is good and easy to guide to players whose mentioning other game's name. I never banned them, when saw them. Just guide them and I can guarantee that they never mentioned any other game after than guide.


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If you are thinking that those Buyers and Sellers just don`t know our rules, you are totally wrong :) They know well what are they doing and let me simply tell to you. They are creating new account with newbie character, and trying to Sell or Buy. They know well that even in 30 minutes they will be banned, but still they are trying their lucks. Maybe they will find a client in that short period? Remember, there must be many Sellers but there are enough Buyers too. That's why they are ignoring when you warn them with words, because they know what are they doing. But with someone who mentioned other Mu's name is different. He just don`t know our rule (Ofc it can`t be an excuse, but still) so we can guide them.
 
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There is not a simple,yet there could always be a not harsh way to deal with the violators.As Abesta said,banning is a lesson that they must learn,sadly too few people learn that lesson and move on to be a honest gamer.For me advertising other Mu servers is a very serious crime,because even he didn't read the rules,that doesn't give him the right to advertise,thus converting people from here to there,would it be good for him if someone did the same on his server,probably not,so for me this is a very serious crime and always must be punished,because put yourself in Venci's place,all he did with the help of the staff to improve this server,every day he struggles to make our daily ingame experience better,and I think violators must be dealt accordingly to the situation,because they ruin their hard work on this server.And I think that selling and buying items for real money is a very serious crime and people do it with their sober minds,they know the rules but still intend to break them.Remember every time someone comes to this server he always knows the basic rules and some violate them knowing exactly what they do,as Abesta said.We could always warn them but Ice,don't put every thing you have and trust without blinking an eye someone without actually knowing them.You have a pure heart that's why you think this way,and I agree that something could be done to make the crimes decrease and it's up to us the players to help our staff and Venci.
 
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Iceman, I think you've used a wrong approach from the beginning to solve the case. As you stated, these violations cased by the fact that people ignore reading the rules, so they are not aware their actions are prohibited and punishable. And for this you're suggesting a solution for the result of violation, which may would guide them for the proper way. I disagree with this approach, avoid the problem is always better and efficient approach than trying to solve it.
For me it would be easier and more comfortable (for both the staff team and for the players too) if they would be better informed about similar things. Adding these commonly violated game rules into the in-game banner would make aware players about these regulations and about their consequences. A simple sample:
Avoid selling/buying for real money, as it is strictly prohibited.
Violating this rule can lead to permanent account ban.
Anyway I agree with others who states these sellers/buyers have different intention, and mostly they are aware what they are doing. After such a warning that you suggested Iceman, these people will still try to sell/buy for money, the only difference that they won't make in public in-game places or they will make it with different account or from different internet cafƩ.
 

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Most of the you guys in here in the forum knows the rules and regulations. So I think you already know what would be the consequences. To those people who don't have forums you can actually guide them to the right path instead of reporting them directly.

No my friend, its pure lazyness :3

Why?
In the beginning before creating such account(ingame or forum), we do need to read and agree to the GAME RULES & it takes less 10minutes to read it.

You know, i never ever treated INFINITYMU as a game rather its a life changing. If theres a rules then respect it.. If you need to be mature then be it. Sometimes we need to read instructions/rules, you cannot change what's done.
 
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