Discussion [General Explanation] Subzero

[Subzero]

I know it's not necessary to make this kind of topic, but as a professional i want to make it clear to everyone what's the real score about my demotion especially to my friends and other people who known me. So here i start, as you saw about the staff update that i've been demoted due for joining the other server and be a part of the staff team which is true. but the point is, I joined just for a days to check the information of the server and there's something wrong with it which i discussed with venci awhile ago and i didn't even did my part as a staff member since i really don't want to join and work on that server. I don't need to mention what server it is. but as far as you know, i'm back few weeks ago which really makes me active. because it feels good to be back after a long working months. what makes me feel bad is, what i've read is very rude which offends me alot. If i really want to stay on that server i will not have a guts to apply here and be back on track. I already explained to venci everything and what runs in his mind isn't true and I hope he understands what i've said on his Skype. I want to tell everyone that i'm not a lier. because if i am, i will not waste my time to explain and make it clear to everyone of you. Another reason what makes me feel sad is, the feeling that i'm so inspired and excited to work again here as a staff member, I've been demoted with very unreasonable reason which is not fair. venci didn't even asked me first what's the real score behind those issues. He didn't even let me explain before he speak. I don't know, I feel bad. because i need a justice for myself. I will not make an effort to make this kind of topic if i'm guilty with what i did. but i didn't do anything wrong. I also want to make it clear to everyone what was really happened and i don't want to make everyone known me as a bad person. I've been here in server for 6 years and i can honestly tell to everyone that I've been a loyal player and a staff member as well. If you people thinks that i'm a bad person, lier, etc. Then it's up to you guys, I did my part and I explained everything to make it clear to all of you. I want to say sorry for what i've done wrong. And i also want to thank venci for giving me a chance and opportunity to work as his staff member just for a day. It's such a relief and i appreciate it alot. But i can't do anything if that what's he think. I explained everything and tell my side and this is the first time that I pleased someone. Thankyou for listening guys, I hope everything will be clear and make sense. If i can't get back in the team then it's okay i'll still thank everyone who believes in me.

Regards,

Subzero

 

[BDG]

Hello man, I just want to comment that I little trust you, but... I know which MU you played and one ex-supporter, me, he and some others use one profile which I made and tell to Venci and Dimer if someone of our players registered and also if is Staffer. My friend saw two people like your names, but one of them, introducion wasn't with same real name like your, and I stopped my doubts but may Venci checked more than me and my friend and saw you. In order to, you was a Head Game Master here, if you didn't deserve it, you couldn't be, and you were ex-staffer in that MU, you weren't in same time a Staff member when you did your application here. May the most of the players in that MU are from InfinityMU & Insania, and I saw some friends whose are staffers, and 100/100 they will be not Staffers here anymore, and will not be if they weren't (some of tham were staffers here) One time I spoke with Dimer and he told be that if something bad happen or already happened with me, he first will talk with me to explain the situation, then he will take a decision. Hope now you do not lie in this topic, because after what I saw in Staff Team Update & here ...
So in my eyes, 50% Venci is right and 50% you.

Dunno man... good luck !

 

[Darkiest]

Well I personally dont know the exact reason why got demoted.
And since its on General Discussion I think I will share what I only think about this in short my opinion so I hope you dont mind or get angry

He's demoted now due conspiracy and maybe stealing information to provide to another server which been few days ago HGM and instantly applied to Infinity when resigned from there. Also he lied me in first place when I asked him if he played another server while I still didn't knew he's member there. Good luck Subzero. The bad thing is that other people think you are good person but sems you are not. At least you are an lier.

I will start from what RESiSTANT said about your demotion,
Correct me if Im wrong so as far as I know there is a rule that says when you are part of the team/staff here you are not allowed to join you are not allowed to join other staff team server. Well our sister servers is exempted because I use to be a part of the team in the same time before.
So I read it and understand it carefully you are a former HGM on other server before you join back here in Infinity. So I dont think that rule will inflict on you (well I am not 100% about this, all of this is just base on my opinion and what I think I remembers on the Staff Team Rules)
Or maybe I get it wrong your still a HGM there when you applied and got accepted here. Well if thats the case then it will be your mistake.

2nd maybe you wont have any problems like this if you become more honest as what RESiSTANT said he ask you if you became an staff team/play other server. But seems for some reason you didnt say it even if its for a little while I think you should have said it and become honest when he asked you. I dont know what is your reason why you denied it or maybe a misunderstanding not sure.


But I dont think RESiSTANT will just demote you with no basis or enough proof, try to understand him also he runs this server and protect it for the sake of the players (I am not telling that your a bad person or spying but the moment you lied even in that single information you cant blame us or the team might think something because simple as this you will not lie if your not hiding right?But dont get me wrong im just saying my point of view about this case)


Dont be mad at me nor hate me I am just saying what is my point of view about your case I am not also here to defend him.
Well I am sorry to hear about your demotion, but well this will be still all up to our Admin RESiSTANT to decide because he is the one who demoted you. If you are really sincere about your words then go for it, but make sure that if you got back the trust of the team or got back to the team dont make any mistake like this again so you wont get in any trouble in the feature.


Honesty
Team Work
Trust

One of the most needed thing in a person for this team
Well Good luck about this bro.

 

[Subzero]

Well I personally dont know the exact reason why got demoted.
And since its on General Discussion I think I will share what I only think about this in short my opinion so I hope you dont mind or get angry




I will start from what RESiSTANT said about your demotion,
Correct me if Im wrong so as far as I know there is a rule that says when you are part of the team/staff here you are not allowed to join you are not allowed to join other staff team server. Well our sister servers is exempted because I use to be a part of the team in the same time before.
So I read it and understand it carefully you are a former HGM on other server before you join back here in Infinity. So I dont think that rule will inflict on you (well I am not 100% about this, all of this is just base on my opinion and what I think I remembers on the Staff Team Rules)
Or maybe I get it wrong your still a HGM there when you applied and got accepted here. Well if thats the case then it will be your mistake.

2nd maybe you wont have any problems like this if you become more honest as what RESiSTANT said he ask you if you became an staff team/play other server. But seems for some reason you didnt say it even if its for a little while I think you should have said it and become honest when he asked you. I dont know what is your reason why you denied it or maybe a misunderstanding not sure.


But I dont think RESiSTANT will just demote you with no basis or enough proof, try to understand him also he runs this server and protect it for the sake of the players (I am not telling that your a bad person or spying but the moment you lied even in that single information you cant blame us or the team might think something because simple as this you will not lie if your not hiding right?But dont get me wrong im just saying my point of view about this case)


Dont be mad at me nor hate me I am just saying what is my point of view about your case I am not also here to defend him.
Well I am sorry to hear about your demotion, but well this will be still all up to our Admin RESiSTANT to decide because he is the one who demoted you. If you are really sincere about your words then go for it, but make sure that if you got back the trust of the team or got back to the team dont make any mistake like this again so you wont get in any trouble in the feature.


Honesty
Team Work
Trust

One of the most needed thing in a person for this team
Well Good luck about this bro.

Believe it or not, i didn't even played on that server which is playing ingame using gm account. No. I just have forum account with a tag. I only visited that server twice just to see those informations but i didn't do my job as lead gm and i asked the owner of the server to remove me from my position since i'm not interested to work with him. I will tell it to venci if i know to myself that i played on that server. I don't need to hide anything.

 

[Rupert]

When someone told me this I wonder if it had ti resemble about your forum name or game master name "Subzero"
But if that was you then heck I seen that name but as I know that isn't you its another person. I know you aron you use to always say or do that jerk song. Don't remember? Mr.Cali Slugger.

 

[Darkiest]

Well dont get me wrong I am just curious how come you become a HGM there if you dont play there. Well to think its a HGM atleast next to the position of the Admin, or like a right hand of the Admin, I am just curious about it. Or maybe the owner is someone you know or something?

Well Venci wont say that you lied if he thinks you did not do anything, but I think there is a little misunderstanding when he ask you if your playing/being a part of the team there, as I get it you said no because for you , you didnt even participate or you dont consider your stay there as playing because as you say

i didn't even played on that server which is playing ingame using gm account

But I think Venci is trying to ask if you become a part of the other server even if you played well or not. If you do in-game or not as long as you become part of it even in 1%.
Again I am not sure about this just my opinion/point of view.
Well if I am correct then I think you have just said it and explain it well to him before this happen or when he ask you that moment, maybe this situation might not happen, Venci is considerable person and kind I think he will understand it if you explain it well to him earlier.


Well lets just wait for his comment about this case, the decision will be still depends on him.

 

[Subzero]

Well dont get me wrong I am just curious how come you become a HGM there if you dont play there. Well to think its a HGM atleast next to the position of the Admin, or like a right hand of the Admin, I am just curious about it. Or maybe the owner is someone you know or something?

Well Venci wont say that you lied if he thinks you did not do anything, but I think there is a little misunderstanding when he ask you if your playing/being a part of the team there, as I get it you said no because for you , you didnt even participate or you dont consider your stay there as playing because as you say
But I think Venci is trying to ask if you become a part of the other server even if you played well or not. If you do in-game or not as long as you become part of it even in 1%.
Again I am not sure about this just my opinion/point of view.
Well if I am correct then I think you have just said it and explain it well to him before this happen or when he ask you that moment, maybe this situation might not happen, Venci is considerable person and kind I think he will understand it if you explain it well to him earlier.


Well lets just wait for his comment about this case, the decision will be still depends on him.

It's just so happen that he gave me a leadgm tag even though i didn't do my part. I only visited that server forum twice to see those informations but there's something wrong with it which me and venci talked about yesterday. So it's like i'm a dead lgm with inactive performance i don't even make such events there. so it's like a joketime that i've been a lgm for 2 days or so. Well, i already explained everything to him. and I don't consider that i've been part of their community since i didn't do anything in that server. If i really want to stay in that server i will quit here and start to be inactive for keeps. I guess, there's a misunderstanding between me and venci and i hope we can make it clear as soon as possible.

 

[Iceman]

Given or not. To the fact on what Darkiest said that being honest is what Venci need in a staff member. As much as possible admit everything to him. Your demotion makes him feel that you are a conspiracy and he is trying his best to protect this server as much as he can. Sorry bro you were my idol back in the day. And now I am thinking the other way around. No offense.

 

[Luigir]

I personally don't care what you were doing before to get in the team, but the fact that you were part of another mu server makes me kinda worried, but everyone is free to choose what to do , anytime, anywhere, also the " conspiracy " well, i don't know exactly what happened, but venci explained something which makes this topic kinda unbelievable, because i know you since 3-4 years or maybe more, but now this news about you? that's sad, but i'm not blaming you aron, i have to share my opinion as staff member, and this is what i think, you should tell us always the truth, well venci should know the true as first ofc, bcoz he is one who promoted you.

We had this issue before with some ex staff members, you know they were doing or just to be part of another community makes sensitive the server, because we don't know if they are sharing infos, but that's 100 % likely.
so imagine, how we can trust someone if that person wasn't here for pretty long time? You were a good member before, i have to admit it, yes, but now it's different, it's like to start again, everything has changed, especially the team.
I never expected this problem, however i can't blame you, but i really didn't know that you were a member in another server.

regards.

Luigir.

 

[Dimer]

Aron,
The most important thing in the staff team is trust,I am sure you know it as well as us because you were a part of the team before,you possessed those qualities that made you who you are,but you know how long someone has to work to gain the trust of his fellow teammates and Venci,and you know how easy it is to break this trust.
I am not the one who must judge you,the only thing that I can share with you is that when you do something it reflects on the others as well,everything here is based on trust.If you started at the begining to talk with Venci and share what you are sharing now,maybe it would have been different,but I know in his eyes things that come out eventually in the open,things you did not speak before that,are harder to take into,than if you spoke the truth before that.Now when things are done,you cannot expect a different reaction,but the disappointment you witnessed,it's as normal as everything else.
I know that you are a nice person,but every action has it's consequence,as a mature person,you have to endure it.

 

[Magalawo]

There's one question i really love to ask. You left the team long time ago due to several problems , i don't exactly remember what was that yet as far as i do, it was a busy schedule real life or smth like this.. Whatever , you went off for some hard times in your life but since you found time to enjoy in other server , means that you solved them and planned to back in "Mu Life".According to mu question i'm yearning to ask , whether you planned to back in "Mu Life", what forced you to choose another server and built your carrier there but not back in Infinity and continue the carrier which has been already built by you with the whole Community's respect ? No offenice Subzero , this question really worries me.

 

[Subzero]

There's one question i really love to ask. You left the team long time ago due to several problems , i don't exactly remember what was that yet as far as i do, it was a busy schedule real life or smth like this.. Whatever , you went off for some hard times in your life but since you found time to enjoy in other server , means that you solved them and planned to back in "Mu Life".According to mu question i'm yearning to ask , whether you planned to back in "Mu Life", what forced you to choose another server and built your carrier there but not back in Infinity and continue the carrier which has been already built by you with the whole Community's respect ? No offenice Subzero , this question really worries me.

Like what i've said, I didn't stayed so long in that server. I only have forum account which i used just for 2 days to see some informations of the server then i asked the owner to remove my tag since i don't want to work and play on that server. I don't even have ingame account. so do you think i will stay here if i'm enjoyin' on that server? I will not waste my time to apply and make this kind of explanation if i'm guilty or what.

 

[Magalawo]

Like what i've said, I didn't stayed so long in that server. I only have forum account which i used just for 2 days to see some informations of the server then i asked the owner to remove my tag since i don't want to work and play on that server. I don't even have ingame account. so do you think i will stay here if i'm enjoyin' on that server? I will not waste my time to apply and make this kind of explanation if i'm guilty or what.

I understood
But where's an answer to my question ?

 

[Abesta]

I really didn`t get well what happened. But to be honest, you both are right. I can feel in the place Venci and yours too. Venci trusted you, so does we all who know you. And that`s why even a little, very little mistake which came from well trusted person made more problems and heart breaks.

Well, I will not talk about the issue. I just want to address a message to Venci through help of this thread. "When you or your team writes someone`s sign off news, you guys mostly quote that -You are always welcome-. This is not true. Yes that guy always welcomed because that XXXX guy made a good job, but please accept them if they want to back in 1-2 month. Else not. You think everybody are trusted? How you know -i have a busy schedule- doesn`t mean I have found new Mu server and want to have fun there? So, my advice to you is, there is one person as former staff team member that you can accept him without any doubts and he is Titan. Else, who comes after few months, you should as them their Staff Team application. Community is not same as before. For example Aron himself, atm community changed. Not them same community as when Aron left. So, even Aron is my good friend, we shared a past, I don`t even want him and the guys like him got accepted in their first ask. Let them do some useful jobs, let them get known to new guys and then ask them to create new application. Why not? If he/she is well trusted then he will get enough good votes on their application."

 

[Subzero]

I understood
But where's an answer to my question ?

There's no such thing that motivates me to join in other server. It's just so happen that the owner asked me to join on his server and he will give me a lgm position. And i accept it then i start to search those informations of the server and most of the infos was copied from infinity which disappoints me alot. So i can only count in my fingers how many times i visit their forum. I didn't visit ingame as well. Then after 2days after i create an account i asked the owner to kick and remove me from my position because i don't want to work with him and play on that server. So the reason of it is i don't consider it that i played on that server because in the first place, I'd never played another game aside from playing infinity. I'm busy with my work and family when the time that i've been inactive.