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Well, im a bit mad coz im always checking the ban list and it always full, all days we are blocking lot of peoples and in my eyes some bans is a injustice (i was checking old thread and damn lot of peoples are banned with speedup proof videos, 1 kill only and only jumps), I know that we have rules but should we need act like that? banning 20 peoples in a day?

I've think alot about what write here but i dont think i can explain it more, if you dont believe on my words check ban list all days, watch all videos and check old banned peoples and you'll see why im wroth with that.

I have some suggestion's too, let me say about it.



-> Just remenber who insult dont have education and w/o education you'll never grow up!

-> Insults, simple fu, smd, fk u, really when some one say for you that im sure that you dont care, its a fking bull**** ban for it, really who cares about it, i care when someone insult my familly or one deficency mine, when he insult something making racism, thats can be called insult but those ****s like fu, fk u, smd thats just normal words comming from a idiot, im always just ignoring it, but you can act like that.

First Insult -> Warn + 1 Day (fk u, fu, smd is not considered as a insult);
Second Insult -> 4 Days;
Third Insult -> 1 Week + Banned by account;
Four Insult -> 1 Month + Banned by account;
Five Insult or more -> 1 Week banned by IP + 6 Months banned by account;

Thats not count when he insult a staff team coz staff team is autority so, its just for insult for a normal player.

Insult Staff

First time, make a warn only.
Second time -> 1 Week + Banned by account;
Third Insult -> 45 Days + Banned by account;
Four Insult -> Permanent.

Some peoples have problems in life and they come for play and try to calm down playing, but you enter and one guy start to kill you or smth like that and you get mad, thats normal, happen with me lot of times (take for example when you are driving and some one make wrong move Im sure that you insult him alot).

Now, i have a suggestion for Adversiting.



99% of the peoples who play here dont read game rules when start play, thats the true and that time they get ban for what they dont know, thats like Adversiting, he say i play here or here but now im playing here or im a good player in here but here im noob and its really nothing, coz some peoples are banned but they are not trying to divulg, they are just trying to say they play there for see if can old friends here, one example is when ''Heruvim'' got banned on my account, he say ''eme'' but who know what is eme is a player of ************, so its not Adversiting bcoz who know what means eme play eme, so he's not divulg coz who dont play there dont what means it.

About Banning Producer.

First Time -> Just give a Warn, explain for him.
Second time -> 1 Week;
Third Time -> Banned by account + 1 Month;
Four -> Permanent by account;
Five -> Permanent + IP banned; (Who got banned 5 times for Adversiting is just here to divulg thats the true).

And dont take ''eme'' ''infy'' ''inva'', For me when some one want divulg he say Full servidor name or website dont ban just for Inf, or Infinity thats just make we lost players.

Now we are going to Hack Reports (Bug Reports too).



Some peoples are giving ****s videos and staff is banning, maybe the guy got lag or he just use a good yellow opt with a good sequence thats is important to see.


I've talked that video for example, Im alone (slow potter) killed good potter with elf buff fast, but you can see my sequence and my add was good that time.

You guys need think in change the reports about hack for 5 kills + Jumps and see him hits because its can be just delays.
Dont ban peoples like him -> http://forum.infinitymu.net/showthread.php?47202-Banned-account-bigpapa45 because its clear a normal lag, its for me a injustice, Ban one guy who use smth like RedRox is one thing, he killed pro potter with full buff + gp with 1 hit but look at that video the guy got slow pot and he just die normal.
Zack say for them, our duel how much time take? 2 minutes?
Change your mind guys!

Suspect guys, but not clear guys must be banned 1 MONTH by account and who is CLEAR a SH User must be banned by Account, coz Speed Hackers need go away from here, we dont need sh user here.
Auto Pot, that is a problem, 40% of the server use it (i've watching some video about Potting rate and alot of fast potter make it with Auto Pot on, coz with your hands and you can pot like that, sorry but its the true) and really Auto Pot give a advance for you but its to much? if you are a slow potter, with ap it will not change your pot speed will be the same with it our without so staff need change ban producer for it too.

Suggestion:

-> Ban first time for AP -> Warn+1 Week ban in character;
Second time -> 1 Month + ban by account;
Third Time -> 100 Days + ban by account;
Four Time or more -> Permanent by account;

Take it for AC too, coz AC dont change ur combo speed, actually combo decrease ur defense coz its less reflect for your opponent, so for slow potter its not a big deal and for pro potter its not good too.

For all peoples who get permanent by account, have 4 chances to unban in webshop, but change smth,

First Unban -> 25k credits;
Second Unban -> 50k creadits;
Third Unban -> 75k credits;
Four Time -> 100k credits;
Five Time -> No Unban anymore;

Now, About Ban and Ban appeals.

I think Resi should unban all accounts with have banned for Adversiting because some peoples stop just bcoz they dont read the rules and dont know about it, and use that new Ban producers for ban again if they do still doing Adversiting.
Old Hackers (4 Months ago) must be unbanned coz its less proof for ban, i've checked lot of videos and really i dont see NOTHING.
Unban scammer and who tryed to sell account for money (3 months ago get ban for it) coz i think they already take the leasson.

About Porn,



Well we are MANS right? All mans here watch a porn when are borred, dont say NO, coz Im a man and I know lot of mans, have alot of friends and i can say smth about it, well talk about porn ingame or give links all think in do it, dont be scared to say yes because its the true but i know we have girls here and kids so we need to respect.

Suggestion:

First time -> Warn + 1 Day Ban Character;
Second time -> 1 Week Character;
Third time or more -> 1 Month + Account banned;

Well, porn sites will not change anything ingame, will? so, think about it.



About Dont accept one country in staff just coz you have problem with other, thats racism....
You can generalize one country cause some peoples are bad, all countrys got good persons and bad persons that life, thats reality, dont be racist, you should accept all countries in Staff team, you just need show who app and see if he's a good guy not show where he's from, really its make me sad coz its racism, we need change our mind and stop to generalize and show where's him from or how much money, itens he have or if he's GM, ADM, HGM or popular, GUYS SHOW IF THE GUY IS GOOD, IF HE'S FRIENDLY, HELPFULL, THATS WHAT MATTER, other things is just add and dont matter at all.
I really have friends in lot of countrys, i have gm friend, normal players friends, ugly and beatiful friends,rich friend , and I give all my atenttion for who's is friendly with me not for who have status, I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE BLACK, POOR or if you have smth wrong, be friendly with me and i'll be friendly with you!
Accept all who really want help our servidor, stop see where he's from!




Show Netherlands, its a liberal country and still a big country, in Netherlands i can make a public sex and smoke mahihuana when and where i want, and its a bad country? OFC No, thats one of my dream go there, really, think about it!

About Forum:

Ban permanent just coz he put a wrong signature?
Some peoples dont know how to check image and others forget to see it and BOM banned permanent for NOTHING...
Thats hard to one mod remove it? If the guy insist on it just see you working you can ban him but others guy dont see, or dont know how see, or forget and get ban for it and say i dont know what happen coz its a surprise for him...
Thats why we have MOD and Thats why we need more!!!!!
MOD is not for take MOD stats, in my eyes MOD is for clean forum and fix little erros (like siggy), and not for start to ban just coz he put a wrong signature.

Hard Rulles is killing Infinity, wake up guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So guys, I thinked alot to write it, please just think about, with that we can keep our players, bring new players and take more voters, donors and make a bigger infinity, thats what i want.
I know thats seens liberal, but its not, some peoples get crazy to stay 1 Day without play so im sure they will take the leason if they get banned 1 time, you can be sure.

And I know my english is fking sux, but who cares? you can understand right? :TT TT: hope you can!
And its not a suggestion, I just want to see your opnions, Normal Players, Staff, Admins, because we can take a sense here and maybe change our rulles for a little liberal and get more players and what i expect make infinity bigger.

-> http://forum.infinitymu.net/showthread.php?40509-Sorry-for-my-posting-here

Im not the first who feel it, thats comming as old times, please guys dont close it, let all give opnions, make it a public there, please i just say for dont close it, lets see what all is feeling and take a sense to make it better, PLEASE!

And if you're right with my post, press Thanks Button and lets wait for Resi repply!

Im here already 3~4 years, I know what im talking about, please write with attention, and please think on it!

 
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1. About banning players by their harassment:

We should not ban them immediately, at least we should give them a chance. Why i say that? because almost players here are still children, it is not hard to understand why they act like that. No fail, no gain, it's called education.

2. About hacker:

Many players were banned but they did not do nothing. All the proofs are 1 kill with 1 hit, 1 jump, or fast kill... These are not clearly proofs to give them a ban. I had checked many old report threads, so mad and so funny.

3. About Advertising:

Being gamers, they have many servers, many games to play, it will be right if they will be banned when they talk about other Mu server, but i found that whenever they talk about other games (not Mu server) they still got banned. I wonder if it's so strick with them?

EVERYDAY, WE LOST MANY ACTIVE MEMBERS WHO ARE VOTING FOR US COS OF THESE HARD RULES.
 

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+1, this is good, a neutral activity from our supporter.

Loosen up some rules, give appropriate warnings, especially on advertising.

We are loosing a lot of players through this kind of straight and no hesitation bans.
 
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About the SH Banning Procedure: I totally agree, You cannot say that a Player is a SPEED HACKER if he killed his enemy with a blink of an eye and Jumping, Maybe check his IP Address and Investigate if he/she is Really Lag or Delay. And It must not be PERMANENT BAN, What do you think of yourselves? GOD? Doesn't Commit mistake? Because GOD has a MISTAKE too.

About the Advertising: BANNING PERMANENTLY IN UNLAWFUL, I was banned in my Forum Account because of Advertising, I was really want to Upgrade the Name of InfinityMU so i've decided it to compare to other SERVER/S. But, When I open my account, IT was BANNED. Same Problem, and GM's or Higher Officials doesn't accept Pardon or Apologizes. WE ARE NOT PERFECT.

About AC/AP, IF WE SAW PLAYER Who types like this "qweqweqweqweqweqweqweqwerqweqwerqwe" or "123123123123123" We can't Predict that he/she is a AC/AP user, Example. I've accidentally typed those words because im gettin' PKed. Using Backspace is about 2-4 secs while Pressing the Enter is 0.05 Secs, Can you see the DIFFERENCE?

MAKE YOUR BANNING PROCEDURES AND RULES.
PICK and BAN is not GOOD.


Once More: Some Players/Forum Users Cannot See the Evidence used in the BANNING, So we can't Criticize if it's WRONG OR CORRECT, REMEMBER Guys, Players/Forum Users are FUNDING THIS GAME ALSO, So We Have the Rights to join this kind of problems.
 
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follow the rules and you won't be banned,the rules are quite simple.
 

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follow the rules and you won't be banned,the rules are quite simple.
What if you simply following rules but you are accused and banned for nothing? lol...i have nothing against gm's who ban players but i think they should re asses first each situation
 

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About the SH Banning Procedure: I totally agree, You cannot say that a Player is a SPEED HACKER if he killed his enemy with a blink of an eye and Jumping, Maybe check his IP Address.......



I never agree with this sentence..During fight I can know the players are sh or not ...
I didn't want reply to this thread bcoz i haven't readed any post in here . I Just saw ur sentence .and i had to reply it
 
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Quite simple for you coz you're from Staff, you dont play much and you dont have lag...
Dont think as a big head, you need think in all like im trying to think.
so i always was Staff member?,lol i also was normal user before applying,and i never got banned in-game/forum or received infraction.
it's not hard rules,just players that can't follow them,and the rules and banning procedures are set by RESiSTANT after all that's his server,and if you wanna keep playing here and not banned then you must follow them.
 

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I never agree with this sentence..During fight I can know the players are sh or not ...
I didn't want reply to this thread bcoz i haven't readed any post in here . I Just saw ur sentence .and i had to reply it

1 Kill is not Enough, Maybe Consecutive Kill with the Jumping, Lagging or Whatsoever will prevail that he/she is a SPEEDHACKER
 

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so i always was Staff member?,lol i also was normal user before applying,and i never got banned in-game/forum or received infraction.
it's not hard rules,just players that can't follow them,and the rules and banning procedures are set by RESiSTANT after all that's his server,and if you wanna keep playing here and not banned then you must follow them.
Who are talking about dont follow the rulles?
We are just trying to make a bette rules, hard rules will never help the server.
And I never got banned too, i have 3 infractions in forum but its nothing (older infracions, only one if you give me when you ban me signature).
btw, is rare see you ingame and you dont have lags like pinoy's, maybe if you got lags or if you got denied when you apply just why you are from one country which can't join in Staff team maybe you have problems.


I never agree with this sentence..During fight I can know the players are sh or not ...
I didn't want reply to this thread bcoz i haven't readed any post in here . I Just saw ur sentence .and i had to reply it
You can't know if someone is with hacker or if its a huge lags with only kills.
 

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follow the rules and you won't be banned,the rules are quite simple.
Try to think as a normal player, Mage.

One think i want to advise:

To be a mod/gm, you must be a good member

To be a lead-mod/gm you must be a good mod/gm

To be an admin you must be a good lead-mod/gm

To be a good admin you must really be a friendly member.
 

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I think why RESiSTANT become strict of the rules it's because there's a lot of players who abusing the game rules and forum rules, everyday there's report in every report section, and we can't control it. That's life and that's part of the game, so we should accept the reality. And about the AP/AC reports, every game master's shouldn't accept reports such as "qweqweqweqwe" and "123123123123" cases, it depends on the situation. And yeah, that's true that there's a lot of kids in our server who really annoys everyone of us. And before they register they should read the "Terms of Agreement" and once they read it, they will check the box. So, it's a deal with the game, once you register you must read and follow the rules. so i think they shouldn't blame the "Staff Members" once they got banned, because they're the one who making their own mistakes. Anyway, this is a nice idea gustavo, but i don't agree with the "Warnings" because there's some players who can't really follow the rules. and doin' the same mistake again and again. About the Insults, if someone said "Fk u" it means, " F u c k You" so it's still the same, we just need to use our common sense, About the hack reports since there's a few SH programs exist in our server, i think we shouldn't changed it, because it's really unfair and it's really prohibited, And we don't accept SH reports these days. because we know it's already blocked by RESi. and about talking other online games i think we should give them a warning first before we ban them, or if they're discussing another server. because some people aren't updated with the new rules. We can ban them directly if we seen that he really meant to advertise and asking players to play in that server.

So, here are the current banning procedures of Game Master's

Banning procedures

• Insulting

- Insulting Staff: 7 days ban up to 42 days ban.

- Insulting Staff (Serious insulting): Permanent ban.

- Asking for items, pking, serious disturbing to a staff member: 2 days ban up to 7 days ban.

- Insulting between players (Normal insutling): 1 day ban up to 3 days ban.

- Insulting between players (Serious, Family insulting): 5 days ban up to 14 days ban.

• Advertisements

- Any kind of advertisement: Permanent account ban

• Hacks and Cheating

- SpeedHack User: Permanent char ban.

- GuardianPatch User: 7 days ban up to 14 days ban, any kind of using even not killing even just making lag in town.

- Scam Attempt: 3 days ban up to 7 days ban.

- Impersonating Staff: Permanent account ban

- Fake report: 3 days ban up to 14 days ban in serious situations - permanent ban.


• Others

Flooding and spamming via /post: 1 day ban up to 5 days ban.

Buy/Sell items for load: Permanent account ban

I think it's enough, we just need to changed the other procedure of banning.

Note: We shouldn't be too strict of banning players.

We should give them a chance unless they're not abusing

The chances that we give to them.
 
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I think why RESiSTANT become strict of the rules it's because there's a lot of players who abusing the game rules and forum rules, everyday there's report in every report section, and we can't control it. That's life and that's part of the game, so we should accept the reality. And about the AP/AC reports, every game master's shouldn't accept reports such as "qweqweqweqwe" and "123123123123" cases, it depends on the situation. And yeah, that's true that there's a lot of kids in our server who really annoys everyone of us. And before they register they should read the "Terms of Agreement" and once they read it, they will check the box. So, it's a deal with the game, once you register you must read and follow the rules. so i think they shouldn't blame the "Staff Members" once they got banned, because they're the one who making their own mistakes. Anyway, this is a nice idea gustavo, but i don't agree with the "Warnings" because there's some players who can't really follow the rules. and doin' the same mistake again and again. About the Insults, if someone said "Fk u" it means, " F u c k You" so it's still the same, we just need to use our common sense, About the hack reports since there's a few SH programs exist in our server, i think we shouldn't changed it, because it's really unfair and it's really prohibited, And we don't accept SH reports these days. because we know it's already blocked by RESi. and about talking other online games i think we should give them a warning first before we ban them, or if they're discussing another server. because some people aren't updated with the new rules. We can ban them directly if we seen that he really meant to advertise and asking players to play in that server.

So, here are the current banning procedures of Game Master's

Banning procedures

• Insulting

- Insulting Staff: 7 days ban up to 42 days ban.

- Insulting Staff (Serious insulting): Permanent ban.

- Asking for items, pking, serious disturbing to a staff member: 2 days ban up to 7 days ban.

- Insulting between players (Normal insutling): 1 day ban up to 3 days ban.

- Insulting between players (Serious, Family insulting): 5 days ban up to 14 days ban.

• Advertisements

- Any kind of advertisement: Permanent account ban

• Hacks and Cheating

- SpeedHack User: Permanent char ban.

- GuardianPatch User: 7 days ban up to 14 days ban, any kind of using even not killing even just making lag in town.

- Scam Attempt: 3 days ban up to 7 days ban.

- Impersonating Staff: Permanent account ban

- Fake report: 3 days ban up to 14 days ban in serious situations - permanent ban.


• Others

Flooding and spamming via /post: 1 day ban up to 5 days ban.

Buy/Sell items for load: Permanent account ban

I think it's enough, we just need to changed the other procedure of banning.

Note: We shouldn't be too strict of banning players.

We should give them a chance unless they're not abusing

The chances that we give to them.
Its hurt when someone say ''**** you'' for you?
I just say fk u, but i tryed to say **** you, thats not a hard insult so for me its not banable.
When some one say **** you for me i really dont care.

If you had a more practice .. you will understand me ^_~
I have pratice and Im playing MU here lot of time, 1 kill is not enought, actually, only kill is not enought for say its sh or not, coz its a global servidor, but the host is in Germany (or Bulgaria i dont know) so who dont live near to Germany will have lags, thats not all about good computer and connection.
 
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How many players registered in the site without checking the checkbox for the rules agreement? Zero? or All? I think you can answer that question yourself. Once checkbox is checked then they agreed and they read the understand the rules. Since normal person can read a text then he can understand what can be done in here and what can't be done. MageDragon is normal person and can accept and follow the rules, but others cannot? Why? They are mamuts? I understand that you mean to decrease the penalty, but read below.

For cheating/hacking I can agree with you because most videos are speeded-up and I myself deny any report which is like this, but still some GMs might blocked someone with such edited video and they are guilty for that and should unbar these players. Penalty can be decreased and speeded-up videos to be instantly denied reports. New banning procedures can apply.

About advertising I can't agree because what if everyone start discussing other muserver and what if they move to that server and steal other active members of InfinityMU to the other muserver? We can't just let them stealing like this. For example they discuss the server and we don't ban them, they will start probably start to sharing links. You are right a lot about telling others what server they played before with the purpose to find old friends, but in some other side this is not right just because the conversation can rise to something that I mentioned upper. New banning procedures will not be applied.

Racism - I don't think. The thread wasn't about Vietnamese at all, but just for single people who didn't have place in this community and most vietnamese doesn't have place. I mean about having some big reputation in forum and game just like some of our current GMs/MODs got while they was normal players. At the moment an player from Vietnam agree to follow the rules including helping/active in forum and helping in game he can be easily part from The Staff.

Porn - even in televisions porn is not good to be talked or shared links just because there are watchers below sixteen. Especially in our game there are very many players even below twelve. New banning procedures can apply.


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Ban permanent just coz he put a wrong signature?
Some peoples dont know how to check image and others forget to see it and BOM banned permanent for NOTHING...
Thats hard to one mod remove it? If the guy insist on it just see you working you can ban him but others guy dont see, or dont know how see, or forget and get ban for it and say i dont know what happen coz its a surprise for him...
Thats why we have MOD and Thats why we need more!!!!!
MOD is not for take MOD stats, in my eyes MOD is for clean forum and fix little erros (like siggy), and not for start to ban just coz he put a wrong signature.​
Wake up because no one is blocked permanently for this. More information here. We give a chance to the user 3 times until he understands the rules about signature using. This is important rules because without it your reading on forums won't be that good as it's right now reading my post.

Auto-Pots/Combos I myself can agree for everyone 1 month ban is great warning, but they will doing it again and again, but no problem. 1 week first time and second 1 Month is good. We will update the banning procedures.
 
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