Discussion Open Ancient Options Discussion

[Nikki]

Dear Infinitians,
Due to the fact that there are many unbalanced Uber sets, the Staff Team will be to looking into all the ancient options of each set.
But since we know that most of you guys think that we make bad sets, you can now take part in this investigation and tell what you want to see different for any sets that you like.

In this thread, you can only reply within a table by adding the name of the set, the set's parts, ancient options that the set has now, the ancient options that you want for the set to have, how many parts does the set need to unlock the ancient options.
All other replies that do not follow this format will be considered spam.

Bellow, you will find an example of how your post needs to look.
Colour code :
Green = keep the ancient options
Red = change the ancient options
Orange = the new ancient options

When you make an option in red you need to provide a new ancient option in orange.

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 20%	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 25%
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	4	Increase Wizardry Dmg +40%
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	5	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +15%	+500 Agi
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	5	Double Damage Rate 40%

If you want to make changes in the how many parts the set needs to have in oder to unlock the ancient options, you can use the same colour code in that table field but as shown bellow:

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3 => 2	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 20%	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 25%
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	4	Increase Wizardry Dmg +40%
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	5	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +15%	+500 Agi
Wizzard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	5	Double Damage Rate 40%

After we finish our investigation and when we will gather enough information from you, we will see what will be the best result.

Please copy-paste this table and fill it with your information:

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
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[umbris]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient Options	New Ancient Options
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 20%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Increase Wizardry Dmg +20%	Increase Wizardry Dmg +30%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Double Damage Rate 40%	Double Damage Rate 20%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3		Decreases opponent’s defense rating +20%

Spoiler

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[Sney]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Increase Damage +125
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Increase Maximum Health +125
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Increase Stamina Recover Rate +125
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Increases Critical Damage Rate 45%	Increases Critical Damage Rate 55%
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 40%
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Double Damage Rate 30%
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Decreases opponent's defense rating +25%	Decreases opponent's defense rating +30%
BK	Sekhmet Black Dragon T1	5	Increases Defensive Skill +125	Increases Agility +125

 

[Java]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
Wizard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%
Wizard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 20%	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 15%
Wizard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3	Double Damage Rate 40%	Double Damage Rate 30%
Wizard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	3 => 4	Increase Wizardry Dmg +40%	Increase Wizardry Dmg +45%
Wizard	Apollo pad set Tier 1	4		Decreases opponent's defense rating +15%
Wizard	Evis Bone set Tier 1	3	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +15%
Wizard	Evis Bone set Tier 1	3	Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons 15%	Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons 20%
Wizard	Evis Bone set Tier 1	3	Increase Wizardry Dmg +40%
Wizard	Evis Bone set Tier 1	3	Double Damage Rate 40%
Wizard	Evis Bone set Tier 1	3	Increases Damage Success Rate +125
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Double Damage Rate 40%	Double Damage Rate 35%
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +15%	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +20%
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 60%
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Increases Defensive Skill +125
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Increase Wizardry Dmg +40%
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Increases Maximum Health +125
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Increases Stamina Recover Rate +125
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Increases Maximum Stamina +125
Wizard	Sylion Bone set Tier 1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 35%	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 45%
BK	Vicious Dragon set Tier 1	4	Increase Damage +125
BK	Vicious Dragon set Tier 1	4	Double Damage Rate 30%	Double Damage Rate 35%
BK	Vicious Dragon set Tier 1	4		Increase Maximum Health +125
BK	Vicious Dragon set Tier 1	4	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%
BK	Vicious Dragon set Tier 1	4	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 20%
BK	Vicious Dragon set Tier 1	4	Increases Skill Attacking Rate +125	Increases Agility +125
BK	Vicious Dragon set Tier 1	4	Decreases opponent's defense rating +40%
BK	Hyon Dragon set Tier 1	3	Increases Skill Attacking Rate +125
BK	Hyon Dragon set Tier 1	3	Double Damage Rate 25%
BK	Hyon Dragon set Tier 1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 30%
BK	Hyon Dragon set Tier 1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 30%
BK	Hyon Dragon set Tier 1	3	Increases Defensive Skill +125	Increases Defensive Skill +250

 

[umbris]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
Wizard	Horus T2	2	Increases Damage +250
Wizard	Horus T2	3	Increases Stamina Recover Rate +250
Wizard	Horus T2	4	Increases Maximum Stamina +250
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increases Agility +250
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increases Critical Damage Rate 60%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 95%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Double Damage Rate 85%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Decreases opponent's defense rating +30%	Decreases opponent's defense rating +45%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increase Wizardry Dmg +120%

 

[Halfdanjal]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient Options	New Ancient Options
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 20%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Increase Wizardry Dmg +20%	Increase Wizardry Dmg +30%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3	Double Damage Rate 40%	Double Damage Rate 20%
Wizard	Apollo Pad T1	3		Decreases opponent’s defense rating +20%

Spoiler

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Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
Wizard	Horus T2	2	Increases Damage +250
Wizard	Horus T2	3	Increases Stamina Recover Rate +250
Wizard	Horus T2	4	Increases Maximum Stamina +250
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increases Agility +250
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increases Critical Damage Rate 60%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 95%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Double Damage Rate 85%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Decreases opponent's defense rating +30%	Decreases opponent's defense rating +45%
Wizard	Horus T2	5	Increase Wizardry Dmg +120%

So you want 65% defense decrese on top of already broken combination? Nikki said that we want to fix sets that are not balanced, not create even more unbalanced sets.

 

[Sney]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Double Damage Rate 45%
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Increases Maximum Health +125
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Increase Wizardry Dmg +55%	Increase Wizardry Dmg +60%
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons 25%	Increases Agility +125
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Increases Maximum Stamina +125
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 40%	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 45%
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +25%	Decreases opponent's defense rating +30%
SM	Alviss Grand Soul T1	4	Increases Stamina Recover Rate +125

 

[MertcaN]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
BK	Hyperion Tier 1	2	Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons 25%	---
BK	Hyperion Tier 1	2	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +15%	---
BK	Hyperion Tier 1	2	Double Damage Rate 20%	Double Damage Rate 30%
BK	Hyperion Tier 1	2	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%	Increases Critical Damage Rate 30%
BK	Hyperion Tier 1	2	Increases Maximum Health +125	---

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
BK	Mist T1	3	Increase defensive skill +125	---
BK	Mist T1	3	Double Damage Rate 20%	---
BK	Mist T1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 15%	Increases Critical Damage Rate 20%
BK	Mist T1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 35%	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 50%
BK	Mist T1	3	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +20%	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +25%
BK	Mist T1	3	Increases Maximum Health +125	---
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It is used as two sets and it remains very weak compared to the other sets. One of the sets that requires the most updating. 25+25$ It is a t2 set money but it has no half feature.

 

[Halfdanjal]

In order to make Bone set less useless compared to other sets. If made a suggested, it will be in some ways a bit better, in some ways a bit worse in comparison to other sets, obviously still not beating Horus. Weakest part of this set is extremely low EDR and nerfed Wizardy Damage %, which should make this set kind of usable compared to how it is now, at least able to somewhat compete against others, not just being beaten straight down with no competition. Obviously, just an idea, you figure out if it's too much or not, main idea is to simply buff it so it's actually usable in PvP.

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
SM	Evis Tier 1	3	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +15%	---
SM	Evis Tier 1	3	Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons 15%	---
SM	Evis Tier 1	3	Increase Wizardry Dmg +40%	Increase Wizardry Dmg +50%
SM	Evis Tier 1	3	Double Damage Rate 40%	Double Damage Rate 45%
SM	Evis Tier 1	3	Increases Damage Success Rate +125	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 35%
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Double Damage Rate 40%	---
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Decreases opponent’s defense rating +15%	---
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Increases Critical Damage Rate 60%	Increases Critical Damage Rate 70%
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Increase Wizardry Dmg +40%	---
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Increases Maximum Health +125	---
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Increases Stamina Recover Rate +125	Increases Damage Success Rate +125
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Increases Maximum Stamina +125	---
SM	Sylion Tier 1	3	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 35%	---

 

[Nikki]

Update,

I'm started with updating the ancient options, all who have given good info will be consider, you still have a chance to show what you think can be thought about.


when the update is almost finished i will post it here, but take note it will take some time. Also all who isn't giving any input wont have any voice if they do not like the changes in the options.

Read first post for knowing how to give detailed info.

 

[Carnicero]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
---MG	---Gaion Tier 1	---2	--- Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons 125%	---Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons 80-85%
---MG	---Gaion Tier 1	---3	--- Increases Excellent Damage Rate 35%	---
---MG	---Gaion Tier 1	---3	--- Increases Critical Damage Rate 40%	---
---MG	---Gaion Tier 1	---3	--- Increase Wizardry Dmg + 50 %	---
---	---	---	--- Decreases opponent’s defense rating + 45%	---Decreases opponent’s defense rating + 40%
---	---	---	--- Double Damage Rate 25%	---Double Damage Rate + 30% to 35%
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Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
---DL	---Browii Tier 1	---3	---Double Damage Rate 25%	---
---DL	---Browii Tier 1	---4	---Increases Critical Damage Rate 25%	---Increases Critical Damage Rate+30 to 35%
---DL	---Browii Tier 1	---4	---Increases Excellent Damage Rate 35%	---
---DL	---Browii Tier 1	---4	---Decreases opponent’s defense rating +40%	---
---	---	---	---Increase Command +125	---
---	---	---	---Increase Maximum Stamina+125	---
---	---	---	---	---

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
---DL	---Agnis Tier 1	---3	--- Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons+20%	---Increase defensive skill when using shield weapons+25%
---DL	---Agnis Tier 1	---3	---Double Damage Rate 25%	---
---DL	---Agnis Tier 1	---3	---Increase defensive skill +125	---
---DL	---Agnis Tier 1	---3	---Increase Skill Attacking rate+125	---
---	---	---	---Increase Critical Damage rate 40%	---
---	---	---	---Increases Excellent Damage Rate 40%	---
---	---	---	---	---

Long live Infinitians!

 

[KillerFrost]

Class	Set name + Tier	How many parts to unlock	Ancient options	New ancient options
ELF	Hathor Tier 2	5​	Increase Skill Attacking Rate +250	---
ELF	Hathor Tier 2	5	Increase Damage When Using Two Handed Weapons +35%	Increase Damage When Using Two Handed Weapons +75%
ELF	Hathor Tier 2	5	Increase Energy +250	Increase Energy +500
ELF	Hathor Tier 2	5	Increase Agility +250	Increase Agility +500
ELF	Hathor Tier 2	5	Increases Critical Damage Rate 100%	---
ELF	Hathor Tier 2	5	Increases Excellent Damage Rate 100%	---
ELF	Hathor Tier 2	5	Double Damage Rate 90%	Double Damage Rate 100%

 

[Nikki]

this week the Ancient options will be finisht then they will go in final discussion, with the staff and invited players who gave a good input. Pm's will be send out.

/work in progress
/closed

 

[Nikki]

Update 03-July 2021

most of options have been reseen, alot of mixes has been pulled out,
we are still on active triple checkings for no OP sets or ugly mix sets.

Yeon and prince has been already a big support on the whole situation.

Its taking its time because of the amount of sets and mixes we need to check.