Discussion PvP - Game Balanced

[SuperCris]

Hello iMU Community,

As many of you have seen, I returned to playing about a week ago. I have nothing to say about the Castle Siege balance.
I think it's perfect. however, I do have a lot of doubts about PvP.
I've tried playing without macros, and it's clear that it's impossible to have fun, but that's not the most important issue here.

I've engaged in many PvP battles during the day because I'm very active every day, and I've played some duels.
Most duels end up being "infinite" taking a lot of time to finish, which I find somewhat boring.

I don't understand and can't find an explanation for how neither of the two players can withstand such a long battle in a simple PvP, considering that we have good items. You can see the options at the end of the video.

My question to the community is, are you currently satisfied with the game balance ?

My response:

Being completely honest and without intending to offend anyone, I believe that PvP is not bad, but it does need a review. I don't understand how it's possible that my BM can't deal enough damage to defeat a player, considering the character's cost is $125 USD (with new prices!!!!!).
(I know that most of my items can be obtained for free, but we're not discussing that.)

On the other hand, I think that PvP currently relies on the player who has the best macro and pot rate.
I'm aware that there are new items with more damage, but okay! I'm using good items!


Here you can see the main screens of each player. ( The duel was never finished.)

[[[[[[[[---second video removed due advertising other mu online server - showing their game launcher over your desktop---]]]]]]]]
You are being warned not to do it again otherwise you will be banished from the forums for period of 1 month or more. This is your second time doing the same thing.

If you don't have experience in PvP, please avoid spam, and if you have knowledge and want to participate in the discussion, always remember to give your opinion with respect. I'm sure our moderators will remove any spam messages.​

 

[Imjunior]

12 minutes of fighting and it never ended, it was less than half done

 

[RESiSTANT]

Hi,
I believe that issue will be gone after the release of the new ancient options for tier-1 sets. I see that both of you are using tier-1 sets.
Please wait for updates and post your review again. This topic can remain open.

P.S. Avoid posting videos or screenshots where other MU server name / launcher is exposed on your desktop. This is second time!
Thanks!

 

[SuperCris]

P.S. Avoid posting videos or screenshots where other MU server name / launcher is exposed on your desktop. This is second time!
Thanks!

Sorry, the video was recorded by someone else and i forgot to check his desktop, thanks for your response.

 

[Demon]

Hello iMU Community,

As many of you have seen, I returned to playing about a week ago. I have nothing to say about the Castle Siege balance.
I think it's perfect. however, I do have a lot of doubts about PvP.
I've tried playing without macros, and it's clear that it's impossible to have fun, but that's not the most important issue here.

I've engaged in many PvP battles during the day because I'm very active every day, and I've played some duels.
Most duels end up being "infinite" taking a lot of time to finish, which I find somewhat boring.

I don't understand and can't find an explanation for how neither of the two players can withstand such a long battle in a simple PvP, considering that we have good items. You can see the options at the end of the video.

My question to the community is, are you currently satisfied with the game balance ?

My response:

Being completely honest and without intending to offend anyone, I believe that PvP is not bad, but it does need a review. I don't understand how it's possible that my BM can't deal enough damage to defeat a player, considering the character's cost is $125 USD (with new prices!!!!!).
(I know that most of my items can be obtained for free, but we're not discussing that.)

On the other hand, I think that PvP currently relies on the player who has the best macro and pot rate.
I'm aware that there are new items with more damage, but okay! I'm using good items!


Here you can see the main screens of each player. ( The duel was never finished.)

[[[[[[[[---second video removed due advertising other mu online server - showing their game launcher over your desktop---]]]]]]]]
You are being warned not to do it again otherwise you will be banished from the forums for period of 1 month or more. This is your second time doing the same thing.

If you don't have experience in PvP, please avoid spam, and if you have knowledge and want to participate in the discussion, always remember to give your opinion with respect. I'm sure our moderators will remove any spam messages.​

While i do agree the best macro/pot rate wins, you are using a tier-1 set which is very bad at this time, try using a tier2 or tier3 and its gonna be less time on killing each other.

i do want to test the SM i have seen a SM with no buff 1 hit a full ddr SM with swell multiple times, i still don’t know if its possible.

 

[Irregular]

Hello iMU Community,

As many of you have seen, I returned to playing about a week ago. I have nothing to say about the Castle Siege balance.
I think it's perfect. however, I do have a lot of doubts about PvP.
I've tried playing without macros, and it's clear that it's impossible to have fun, but that's not the most important issue here.

I've engaged in many PvP battles during the day because I'm very active every day, and I've played some duels.
Most duels end up being "infinite" taking a lot of time to finish, which I find somewhat boring.

I don't understand and can't find an explanation for how neither of the two players can withstand such a long battle in a simple PvP, considering that we have good items. You can see the options at the end of the video.

My question to the community is, are you currently satisfied with the game balance ?

My response:

Being completely honest and without intending to offend anyone, I believe that PvP is not bad, but it does need a review. I don't understand how it's possible that my BM can't deal enough damage to defeat a player, considering the character's cost is $125 USD (with new prices!!!!!).
(I know that most of my items can be obtained for free, but we're not discussing that.)

On the other hand, I think that PvP currently relies on the player who has the best macro and pot rate.
I'm aware that there are new items with more damage, but okay! I'm using good items!


Here you can see the main screens of each player. ( The duel was never finished.)

[[[[[[[[---second video removed due advertising other mu online server - showing their game launcher over your desktop---]]]]]]]]
You are being warned not to do it again otherwise you will be banished from the forums for period of 1 month or more. This is your second time doing the same thing.

If you don't have experience in PvP, please avoid spam, and if you have knowledge and want to participate in the discussion, always remember to give your opinion with respect. I'm sure our moderators will remove any spam messages.​

The only solution I can think of is to add additional extra 5,000 to 10,000 extra points to spare to be added to our desire stats which we take advantage of secretly not revealing our spare which we added it on. Aside from remodeling the Tier 1 sets.

 

[Dimer]

The only solution I can think of is to add additional extra 5,000 to 10,000 extra points to spare to be added to our desire stats which we take advantage of secretly not revealing our spare which we added it on. Aside from remodeling the Tier 1 sets.

This cannot be done since max stats are either 32767 or 64k. We are a MAX Stats server.

The balance currently at t2 or t3 uber sets is very good

After the update on Tier 1 Uber sets,we will have more diversity in picking gear for pvp.

 

[Aga]

I want to mention the topics I've always been silent about, from the start, I never supported or suggested the rise of T1 or old sets. The reason is that it would lead to a decline in the economy of our server. If everyone easily obtains multiple T1 sets at a cheap price through BTA, why would anyone make donations atm?

About the PvP balance, the PvP I do in a month is balance to what some players do in a year, so, the PvP I've done in one year is equivalent to his journey years of PvP in the game. And whenever I've faced any problems with PvP balance based on my experience, I've informed Venci about it. In PvP between T2 vs T2 or T3 vs T3 gears, there is no big difference between characters. In other words, there are not any problems and everything seems okay.

And sometimes I see that, we also understand wrongly the PvP balance. Just because somone has been using BK for years and instantly switches to SM or another character, it doesn't mean they will be good with every character. Firstly, he should do just like his good relationship with BK, he also needs to spend a long time with the new character he switched to in order to understand their usage style and game play. Each character has their own unique tricks and for this, it's not enough to just do what you hear from others. You need to spend a much time experiencing different chars., yourself. So let me to give you an example from CS, there are some character is useful for holding switch, some is good to be killer, while others are focused on providing with skills like seal and stomp in the Crown. This is how they differ from each other. But this doesn't mean that PvP is not balanced.

In the game, it's the same way. just like in the real world, a bear is good in its own territory in the land, while a crocodile is good in the water. If they were to face eachs on land, the bear would have the advantage, and if they were to face eachs in water, the crocodile would have the advantage. However, this doesn't mean that one is very strong and the other is very weak.

 

[Irregular]

I want to mention the topics I've always been silent about, from the start, I never supported or suggested the rise of T1 or old sets. The reason is that it would lead to a decline in the economy of our server. If everyone easily obtains multiple T1 sets at a cheap price through BTA, why would anyone make donations atm?

About the PvP balance, the PvP I do in a month is balance to what some players do in a year, so, the PvP I've done in one year is equivalent to his journey years of PvP in the game. And whenever I've faced any problems with PvP balance based on my experience, I've informed Venci about it. In PvP between T2 vs T2 or T3 vs T3 gears, there is no big difference between characters. In other words, there are not any problems and everything seems okay.

And sometimes I see that, we also understand wrongly the PvP balance. Just because somone has been using BK for years and instantly switches to SM or another character, it doesn't mean they will be good with every character. Firstly, he should do just like his good relationship with BK, he also needs to spend a long time with the new character he switched to in order to understand their usage style and game play. Each character has their own unique tricks and for this, it's not enough to just do what you hear from others. You need to spend a much time experiencing different chars., yourself. So let me to give you an example from CS, there are some character is useful for holding switch, some is good to be killer, while others are focused on providing with skills like seal and stomp in the Crown. This is how they differ from each other. But this doesn't mean that PvP is not balanced.

In the game, it's the same way. just like in the real world, a bear is good in its own territory in the land, while a crocodile is good in the water. If they were to face eachs on land, the bear would have the advantage, and if they were to face eachs in water, the crocodile would have the advantage. However, this doesn't mean that one is very strong and the other is very weak.

It lies on the moderator being strict on the thread of every BTA infinitian makes because the trick on making everything possible and not following the rules is on the BTA threads are being fast in replies and donation. However making strict regulations before it making public thread (BTA's) one must need the approval of a Forum Administrator/Senior Moderator should be implemented. Therefore, I strongly suggest that BTA Threads must need approval first before publicizing it.

On the Tier 1 having small changes won't hurt. Remember, Tier 1 sets are a combination of 2 sets (25$ and 25$ is still 50$ without promo ibuff/achie). Monthly rewards must be reduce for it be not acquired fast as you mentioned without spending a penny.

 

[SuperCris]

While i do agree the best macro/pot rate wins, you are using a tier-1 set which is very bad at this time, try using a tier2 or tier3 and its gonna be less time on killing each other.

i do want to test the SM i have seen a SM with no buff 1 hit a full ddr SM with swell multiple times, i still don’t know if its possible.

Hello, if you watch the entire video closely, at the end, when we switched to Tier 2, the duel became infinite, and no one died.

The only solution I can think of is to add additional extra 5,000 to 10,000 extra points to spare to be added to our desire stats which we take advantage of secretly not revealing our spare which we added it on. Aside from remodeling the Tier 1 sets.

Impossible and a terrible idea. PvP is balanced based on the maximum character stats. If you modify the stats to '+32767,' it would completely change the balance for all sets, making T3 sets stronger. is to improve the ancient options for T1 items. The character balance and ancient options balance are configured separately, so you can increase or decrease damage without affecting the balance of other characters.

This cannot be done since max stats are either 32767 or 64k. We are a MAX Stats server.

The balance currently at t2 or t3 uber sets is very good

After the update on Tier 1 Uber sets,we will have more diversity in picking gear for pvp.

This is correct. If the stats were changed to 65k, the staff would need a lot of time to rebalance the entire game from scratch. Trust me, balancing PvP takes a lot of time, maybe months or even years.