[Suggestion] Auto-Pot counter measures + equal potting for all.

[RESiSTANT]

make it 200ms delay and i will play with this

That would be useless because we've made the follow calculations:

0.2 sec (12pots / 3 sec)
0.3 sec (10pots / 3 sec)
0.5 sec (6pots / 3 sec)

12 pots per 3 sec is too much. 10 is OK. Stil could lead to long fights and Asians/Latins no chance against EU (for example).

 

[WarKnight]

okay exe vs exe is not bad

My items: DK set+P+DDR7% 2 Smoks pend of wind 2 sacred rings
Opponent items: Leather set +DDR7% 2 AA swords 3 acc exe wind

 

[Dimer]

The test with BM vs BM went perfectly,the new delay works fine when characters of the same class fight each other we can see equality even with DL vs DL.

But the problem that occured to me was this:

Me and Darkiest fought DL vs BM all full uber+smok and I got crushed by 3-4 combos,without swell I had no chance,with swell I lasted a while longer but I couldn't kill him and still died in the end.A suggestion if it could be done: Could the defence of the DL be raised by a little amount so it can withstand the thrust of the BM damage?

 

[Prada]

It will help to the good PVPers beeing appeared,
hope the packet sender doesn't work in this case.

All in all, Thumbs up for to this suggestion.

 

[Titan]

As i tested at this moment with Nick: My full Uber DL owned him in duel his Full Uber Bk. So then all depends of you and your set and how u are fighting. Everythings cool as i have observed.

 

[Iceman]

The good thing about this is, no more complaining with pot rates. Like I don't want to fight you coz you got a bigger pot rate. Tested Compared before that BK really owns a DL. But try it. DL can fight back.

 

[Dimer]

One more test with another player
Full uber DL with no swell absolutely the same,got killed fast even with ts alone
With swell better chance even beaten the uber bk.

Of course there needs to be balance,I am all for balance. But after a few brief tests,bm with uber is the strongest character now if it gets buffed nobody has a chance against it.There always needs to be a strongest one,but the DL should be at least very close to him,with a little higher defence it would be. But the situation now is good.

 

[RESiSTANT]

It's impossible to balance classes in high exp server where stats is allowed up to 32767 it's been discussed and said in 7 years with long and short sentences with clear understanding between everyone. However this discusson about balances still continues as I can see even if we haven't changed any character formula at all there's always people who complain while made just few duels against one player. Guys, just the speed of pot is equal. You can't pot 10 pots per second to survive and call this balance while the person infront of you cannot afford having that kind of pot speed due his location from the server. None of the classes were modified so please don't start with complains about balance. Everything is in order and like it must to be. DL has very high defense, if it's increased he will own every other class. If you use horse and it's skill you can own BK.

Thread will cleaned if I see more commnets about balance. There's none of sense discussing about it. It cannot be put balance to all classes firstly because every class has its own items, skill and then player skills and on second it's a high exp server. Some class is supposed to be above the other and nothing is based in MU for 1vs1. It's about Wars and Siege. When you are full buffed you will own above others. But like I said - it's based on items & skills.

It's easy to balance if every class have incredible high damage and everyone dies in 2-3 seconds. This would be called balance and who ever pots faster will survive and who gives up potting just dies. In our situation every class is different and no way to be balanced due max stats 32767.

Go in our 100x edition and there you can play on balance between all classes because free level up points you can have is 62,300 stats to separate on each statistics Str, Agi, Vit, Ene, (Cmd).

 

[Skizzo]

True.
The balance is very good.
Blade Master and Lord Emperor should have the biggest damage, followed by the magic gladiator.
Soul Master's and Elf's are just buffers, they aren't made for PVP. The PVP characters are B.M, D.L and MG. Let them be.
The rest should be buffers and nothing more.

 

[Zeus]

True.
The balance is very good.
Blade Master and Lord Emperor should have the biggest damage, followed by the magic gladiator.
Soul Master's and Elf's are just buffers, they aren't made for PVP. The PVP characters are B.M, D.L and MG. Let them be.
The rest should be buffers and nothing more.

Not quite the case bro, while on one hand you're correct that those two classes are mainly used for their great defensive buffs and also elf's offensive, on the other hand they're also used as tacticians, that slow, poison, movement preventing (lightning) and freezing (ice arrow) that they provide, can greately assist on a perfect kill in Sieges and guild wars, but to be honest, only because this is a 32k stats server, that doesn't mean that those classes have no say in PvP, they should be equally good at killing the other classes, i mean, a lot of players favor SMs and Elfs, including me, and it really ****s that we can't use our favorite characters to beat some people up, that's what we're trying to achieve, ways to make everyone being able to kill everyone, but at the same time, not to destroy them, else it won't be any fun in the duel.

 

[Skizzo]

Not quite the case bro, while on one hand you're correct that those two classes are mainly used for their great defensive buffs and also elf's offensive, on the other hand they're also used as tacticians, that slow, poison, movement preventing (lightning) and freezing (ice arrow) that they provide, can greately assist on a perfect kill in Sieges and guild wars, but to be honest, only because this is a 32k stats server, that doesn't mean that those classes have no say in PvP, they should be equally good at killing the other classes, i mean, a lot of players favor SMs and Elfs, including me, and it really ****s that we can't use our favorite characters to beat some people up, that's what we're trying to achieve, ways to make everyone being able to kill everyone, but at the same time, not to destroy them, else it won't be any fun in the duel.

Elf and SM was never made to kill the BK especially, then the DL.
You gotta get used to it.
I know they should be effective in siege and things but now we're talking about PVP. Simple PVP.

 

[Dimer]

With some more duels I have tested more about this pot delay.
The DL has a fighting chance no matter what,it's just the proper way to do it like others have suggested,using earthquake and moving around brings more fighting chance to the DL.Everything is good between the classes right now with the pot delay,the 100053 hour duels are behind which is good.

 

[Heruvim]

Ohoho sounds like good news,the only ones that disagrees with this are the ones that got their jimmies rustled because they can't fight with 15 pots per second against people that got 3-4/s.

@Skizzo
Wrong,
The original Mu Online had no max stats, you had to make your own skill build,and SM actually is one of the best pvp classes there.

 

[Zeus]

Elf and SM was never made to kill the BK especially, then the DL.
You gotta get used to it.
I know they should be effective in siege and things but now we're talking about PVP. Simple PVP.

That's the case only on max stats servers, on minimal stats servers where you have limited starts to distribute all around your 4(5) attributes (Str, Agi, Vit, Ene, Cmd), SMs and Elves can pretty much kick everyone's ass, this is what we're trying to achieve here too, those two should have equal chances to put up a fight against every class as well.

@Skizzo
Wrong,
The original Mu Online had no max stats, you had to make your own skill build,and SM actually is one of the best pvp classes there.

^ This

 

[Skizzo]

That's the case only on max stats servers, on minimal stats servers where you have limited starts to distribute all around your 4(5) attributes (Str, Agi, Vit, Ene, Cmd), SMs and Elves can pretty much kick everyone's ass, this is what we're trying to achieve here too, those two should have equal chances to put up a fight against every class as well.



^ This

But here we talk about a max stats server.

 

[Memorise.]

for me what this change if meny players use macro this options is good for Ac users . BIG NO for that thread. for me that sugestion only help cheaters no normal players and Think This sugestion hellp all players i dont think so. Why no back for infinity mu on last Europe when all works good pot dmg add i talk Abut inf 2- 3 yers a go

 

[RESiSTANT]

for me what this change if meny players use macro this options is good for Ac users . BIG NO for that thread. for me that sugestion only help cheaters no normal players and Think This sugestion hellp all players i dont think so. Why no back for infinity mu on last Europe when all works good pot dmg add i talk Abut inf 2- 3 yers a go

Your post makes no sense.


Let's look back 2-3 years, what's this (hun) ^^
Currently, Infinity is hosted in Europe, the potting delay will stop the effectiveness of Auto Pot third party programs, since they can't use 10/20/30 pots per sec, just think about it, who can pot that fast now while at the same time doing perfect combo?


What's more interesting is that it seems, only people who have had a past in our blacklist for the mentioned third party programs above are in disagreement about this suggestion.

 

[Bear]

By the way Sir Resistant please update also Server3 like you Updated S4 its Very Fair play no Cheats can be activated Specially AP/AC but Sir how about the BMD or anti reflect cheat is there a Possibility to Counter it? i have exprienced Fight with an BMD user or anti reflect its like he is an AC.. .. I hope S3 will be updated Soon

 

[Sava]

for me what this change if meny players use macro this options is good for Ac users . BIG NO for that thread. for me that sugestion only help cheaters no normal players and Think This sugestion hellp all players i dont think so. Why no back for infinity mu on last Europe when all works good pot dmg add i talk Abut inf 2- 3 yers a go

Hacker is Hacker. We will see hacks always, which we see since mu has been created.. But no sense in your words, All kind of different countries will potting same. But before europeans only potting good 10-15 etc. More fair now. Do u really care about it? Better to catch auto potters and report them if u care really. So u mean are europeans human and others not ? this is a good way for every people. I am playing MU since 2004. Please do not talk about hack, auto pot etc. We always will see it, but our job is catch and punish them. U are jealous. U only thinking abour yourself. That's why u are mad.

 

[Memorise.]

Hacker is Hacker. We will see hacks always, which we see since mu has been created.. But no sense in your words, All kind of different countries will potting same. But before europeans only potting good 10-15 etc. More fair now. Do u really care about it? Better to catch auto potters and report them if u care really. So u mean are europeans human and others not ? this is a good way for every people. I am playing MU since 2004. Please do not talk about hack, auto pot etc. We always will see it, but our job is catch and punish them. U are jealous. U only thinking abour yourself. That's why u are mad.

And i play on 2001 and for me now help only AC user END