Hello friends,
Since some of our players suggested to disable tracemarry command for few reasons you might know and faster resets advantage if you have two computers. I am opening this poll just to see how many of you would like tracemarry command to be disabled.
Please vote wisely.
You can also post your comment about this topic by replying in this thread.
Me personally, i dont want to take sides on this poll.. But for the entirety of the community i would say yes to disable it. Reason for that is, not all of the players have the luxury of having 2 PC. some of the players are just playing with 1 and some also just plays in a netcafe. I'm not saying that having 2 PC is abusing the fast reset scheme. My vote to disable /tracemarry is not for the benefit of one, but it will benefit the community as a whole specially those who really grind on reseting. It will give a fair chance to everyone who is grinding resets. Thats just my opinion.
for sure disable it.. for 2 reason for draco hunting using tracemarry for 2spot and second reason for resets .. not every player have 2 computer to use tracemarry ..so its unfair for reseting ranking ..
I think nothing is unfair here. that's the advantage of having two or more pch. if you want to be fair buy more pc. if you disable tracemarry, is that not fair to someone who has 2 pc?
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if vote to decide it probably people with 1 computer will be the majority.
I don't believe in draconit hunting if 2 players fight together at the same time, can win both positions. so it's wrong to say it's not fair
Hi folks, well.. My opinion might be known for those people who already know me. I always prefer Mu Online stay as original as it is w/o much ruining it's beauty. Adding too much additional things or removing, disabling some things..
Mu Online Marriage, it's all started in Devias 3 Church in old times. Then it's moved to Devias 2.
Dunno if those legends or oldies remember it, we had a lot fun in InfinityMU about marriage, A lot female players we had in the game. We were using this marriage function often and we were all celebrating it, we were making a lot screenshots, opening stores and so on.
So, we're playing old school season 3 mu online and believe me it's rare. InfinityMu is long-term rare server and I am against to ruining it's beauty. My vote goes for "No" . Thanks for reading.
it's a feature, not a bug.there is no reason for you to disable it, you never get a chance to use it, and you want others to either. it's a feature, not a bug. you never get a chance to use it, and you want others to either. That's the fairness you want to talk about? the fairness you want to talk about? try to earn money to buy more computers and stop whining. or give me a more compelling reason
If the main reason for disabling it is because of abusers who do marry Elf characters, change their class, but the command can still be used, then, the bug there to be fixed is the /Tracemarry command that is still intact even after changing class. So if there's a way to remove the link between two married characters after one gets a class change, then that will solve the issue (It is like marrying someone in real life and one of them changed their name - it will be an issue they have to fix).
It is not an issue if an individual can or cannot afford to have two PCs to play with or if they have one already. The real issue is the abusers who take advantage of this.
P.S. I don't have or own two PCs with the game installed. Just being fair to the one who does have.
No asked me that ingame
They abuse it in events like reset, dracohunt , PvP etc. so now they are reporting it because of that command
Sir Venci I don't think so that, that is an abused because marriage is being together whatever happens.
The world is unfair anyway but equality vs equity has still difference.
Example:
Married vs Single
Single
"Alone"
Marriage
"Marriage allows the couples to find each other in an instant thanks to their improved senses for each other, thus they can fight against the dangers together. For attacking one requires taking on the other."
-wiki
If the /tracemarry command is gone I'm not affected still only the people who make it.
And for the ppl who are doing it, hang on and finger cross (kapit lang)
I have not been a long time player in this server yet, but...
The argument that it's unfair to people who have 2 PCs is absurd because if dual client is disabled for security reasons or mechanics abuse then why is it fair to bypass these restrictions just because you can afford a second PC?
If I may ask a question to the people who would like to keep this system (if GMs allow) is that, for what purpose do you use tracemarry for?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Argument 1: Tracemarry to Draco Hunting spots
- Do you think this is fair for other people with 1 PC trying to hunt Draco? > would Draco hunting become exclusive to the people who can afford a second PC to use tracemarry?
- How about the new players that would like to participate in the event but when they run around the maps and get to the spot, the event is already over because someone has already teleported there and one-shotted the boss within seconds.
Let's see how this has affected the price of Draconites: (Based on assumptions only)
Since it's so easy to obtain draconite probably due to a mix of it being easy to kill and people using tracemarry to kill them quickly,
the most common exchange for draconite is either:
a. 3 Draconites for 5 Ring of Winds
or
b. 1 Draconite for 2 Ring of Winds (Hard to find deals like this)
Now if we look at the price of Tier 2 Uber Draco sets:
240 Draconites
or
600 Ring of Winds
At the current exchange price of Draconites, 240 pieces would 480 Ring of Winds (best case scenario at 1:2 ratio)
This currency is slowly becoming obsolete as shown with Tier-1 Draco sets being sold for 100 Ring of Winds but if you exchange Ring of Winds for Tier-1 Draco set on the website its 300 Ring of Winds....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Argument 2: Fast Resets
- I think we could argue that tracemarry can be abused to get fast resets. (I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT TRACEMARRY PRIOR TO THIS THREAD) (Always wondered myself how some people in Stadium were able to reset and within seconds, they're back at Stadium)
- My next argument is the idea of Fast resets > Faster grand resets > Faster Gold Credits. How would this affect the server in the long term?
For me personally, I think the economy will keep moving forward and items will get even more expensive as ROWs and items from webshop starts to oversaturate the server
> The webshop items will become obsolete in the market - Trading scene for non-ancient items will get worse if Gold Credits are this easy to acquire via fast resets
> This will make it even harder for new players to progress in the game and buy Uber accessories or accumulate enough currency to buy uber sets by $VD from other players
Off-topic but does the InfinityMU staff have an answer for the current state of the economy?
Specifically about the exchange of Gold Credits and Ring of Winds.
- Ring of Winds+13 F.O cost about 2,000 Gold Credits but people are trading 1,000 gold credits for 1 ROW
- Or do you guys think, maybe in some way, this is actually a good thing? If so, why?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will admit.... This analysis was over-and-above but it was conveyed with the thoughts for the longevity and economic health of the server.
*Sorry this post was all over the place, maybe I will get back to it for edits (IF I'm not so lazy) or for when I think more about the effects of this decision.
Marriage
"Marriage allows the couples to find each other in an instant thanks to their improved senses for each other, thus they can fight against the dangers together. For attacking one requires taking on the other."
-wiki
But this is InfinityMU and not the Official server. There is no "danger" for couples to tackle, people usually teleport to hunting spots and 1 shots the Draco.
I usually use tracemarry to hunt draco. but it's for my benefit, I don't use it for resets. and I also oppose its abuse to reset.
What's the best way to make a character have enough 400lv to be able to use it.
I dont.have to PCs but im not agree to Disable TM.
I think TM not abuse if they use in leveling its the Benifits Being Married
In Draco Hunt If u saw some Elf near at Ur Spot Just Kill Them its not a abuse its Strategy..
I dont.have to PCs but im not agree to Disable TM.
I think TM not abuse if they use in leveling its the Benifits Being Married
In Draco Hunt If u saw some Elf near at Ur Spot Just Kill Them its not a abuse its Strategy..
I understand that it's a strategy. But it's not a strategy that everybody can use.
Unless they enable dual client, I don't think Tracemarry should be enabled (at least in certain areas)
It DEFINITELY needs to be disabled for Stadium but for Draconite Hunting, I feel like the mechanics of the event should be a bit more difficult (more random spawns and much tankier so people have more time to pk each other for it) (I think this would be more fun and more rewarding)
for Draconite Hunting, I feel like the mechanics of the event should be a bit more difficult (more random spawns and much tankier so people have more time to pk each other for it) (I think this would be more fun and more rewarding)
I like the idea of respawning bosses in random spots and maybe instead of putting 4 bosses in 1 map, put like 2 bosses per map and scatter them across other maps. making it a little bit tankier might not benefit new players but surely this move will make new players the same chances to hunt as with people with full item equipped.
This relives the term "Boss Hunt" and also to save the game economy in long term as the draco and ROWS currency exchange doesn't really make sense since same players always get Draconite stones/Lemulia Box as they "OWN THE SPOT" so somehow they can control the exchange since they own the supply.
So to scatter the supply amongst all players (old and new), this might give a higher chance to make more sense of the Draconite stones and ROWS exchange set by the Admin/Staffs
"240 Draconite = 600 ROWS"
This might be another topic but something to look forward and to make the "HUNT" a "HUNT".
its not ur bussiness i earn money or what i do .. when 2people have 2pc and 10000 people dont have dont means that cauz of u "rich guy" they will not disable it.. go and reset normally mod .. every people should have same chance to win 1place on reset ranking.. its not pay to win game (who have 2pc he wins) fair will be for everyone to disable it
With all due respect, the usergroups with "Draconite Hunter" has been doing this forever and have been doing said "strategy". I am not ripping off on your hard work because I am sure this has become a chore for you and you're dedicated to it, so you have a right to be upset about changing the regulations on what you've been doing for a long time.
While I'm not going to conclude to the idea that these people are abusing this mechanic, I would just like to say that to acquire this banner, you had to have collected at least 4 draconite sets "by collecting draconites"( from wiki, so I don't know if this is obtainable by purchasing draco sets from other players via BTA)
That is a minimum of 480 draconite stones for tier-1 and possibly 960 if they only pursued tier-2, which is crazy to think about. Did the players achieve this because they used tracemarry and others didn't? or do they deserve it because they are the better player?
If you say #2 then it shouldn't be a problem to disable tracemarry even just for draco/resets.
and also to save the game economy in long term as the draco and ROWS currency exchange doesn't really make sense since same players always get Draconite stones/Lemulia Box as they "OWN THE SPOT" so somehow they can control the exchange since they own the supply.
I have mixed feelings about this, brother. This happens in all MMOs (owning the spot i mean), however systems like these (draconite hunting, open pk bossing) usually make the dropped items more valuable and therefore more expensive as it would be a rare resource. But, I guess it's been a while since they introduced Draconite Hunting and now people have a lot and mixed with it being enabled in BTA, it's only natural for the exchange rate ( draco:rows ) to go down.
I agree with you completely! I just tried to make sense of the situation.
Maybe we could suggest other solutions to make draconite stones more valuable?
- Disable Draco Sets from BTA: If the Draco Sets would be account bound then there would be more reasons to use draconite stones as a form of exchange (currency).
> For people who want the set, they would either purchase draconite stones or hunt for themselves.
- More complicated solution:
1. Have all the Draco's have different difficulty levels (HP/DMG)
2. With stronger Draco's have 100% drop rate of draconite stones and weaker Draco's have lower drop rate of Dracos (In order of 80% / 60% / 40% / 20%)
3. OR with #2 in mind, lower drop rate dracos like 20% drop rate dracos, could spawn more often so new players have more chances to participate.
I think this would push stronger players to one spot and fight each other for the 100% drop rate and encourage (or even just allow) newer players to maybe participate in the event.
Hi folks, well.. My opinion might be known for those people who already know me. I always prefer Mu Online stay as original as it is w/o much ruining it's beauty. Adding too much additional things or removing, disabling some things..
Mu Online Marriage, it's all started in Devias 3 Church in old times. Then it's moved to Devias 2.
Dunno if those legends or oldies remember it, we had a lot fun in InfinityMU about marriage, A lot female players we had in the game. We were using this marriage function often and we were all celebrating it, we were making a lot screenshots, opening stores and so on.
So, we're playing old school season 3 mu online and believe me it's rare. InfinityMu is long-term rare server and I am against to ruining it's beauty. My vote goes for "No" . Thanks for reading.
before you didn't have draco event, so no one really abused the command.
the debate here is to help avoiding what other players stated in the thread (resets,draco hunt), and not if you had fun with it or not.
also guys, comments like: "not everyone can afford two computers" "im not rich" "its not my fault others doesn't have a second pc"
are not helping to the discussion. please to be more informative, and instead of just stating things, try to suggest other options.
My personal opinion is that the tracemarry function should stay.
I don't like the fact that original functions are being disabled from the game.
I do agree that for those who participate in resetting events, it is less fair if they are in possession of just one pc.
my suggestion is that this function will be dysfunctional at maps such as stadium, barracks, or any other map that is generally being used for that matter.
Same goes for the Draconite hunting maps. [you could also make a level requirement for the function, thus slowing down those with 2 pcs, but that won't solve the draco issue.]
If this solution is doable, I believe it might satisfy most of the poll takers.
Cheers.
