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I think hacks are very up to date, they get updated from time to time and will bypass anything… you can ask venci how many times he has block certain hacks, and they just update it and its usable again and again…
in my own perception maybe some features of the imu liveguard now can detect some cheats like those cheats they surrender and might detect even those cheats that are not on the lists. but the technology enhancement now a days have the advantage to be "more advanced" than what the imu liveguard features has it. i guess hehe just my opinion
Look at major games funded by companies worth billions. Their anticheat can be bypassed by first google search result, only super invasive anticheats work and even then they work better instead of blocking all cheaters. It's the sad reality, cheat developers are doing better job than anticheat developers. An update to AC drops, cheat update drops the same day and they work as per usual. If Valve cannot beat this, how do you expect just a 1 man to do it.
Don't get me wrong or confuse here. Its just so unprepossessing to always know whats the reason. It's like educating someone you wanted to educated and haven't have the knowledge to express or to explain things. so the abused words are "Undetectable Cheat"
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The meaning of "Undetectable Cheat" is a type of cheat or hack in a game that cannot be detected or caught by the game's anti-cheat system. This means that even if you're using a cheat, the game protection doesn't notice it, so you won't get banned or punished right away.
This term is commonly used by cheat developers to suggest that their tools are "safe" to use — even though it's not guaranteed.
This term is commonly used by cheat developers to suggest that their tools are "safe" to use — even though it's not guaranteed.
But this is not the same idea you started the thread with. Do I understand your thought correctly, that this means you would like to see more specifics? For example damage hack, speed hack, potrate bypass hack and so on? Because if that is your thought, I can agree that it would provide more transparency, so to speak, but I am unsure if that would really change anything. Also, this can become a double edged sword, because, you see, cheaters have no spine or self respect and most of them have intelligence that is hard to achieve with 5 generations of inbreeding, yet some of them are rather smart and can use this information to their advantage to further improve their skill of hiding what they are doing, especially in cases where ban thread specifically explains the moments where the cheater exposed themselves and how.
it means IMU have good staffs and reliable players that sent them to Ban 
Gryphon
Dawn of Daybreak
Maybe more specific in the ban reason for example:
Hithack
Speedhack etc.
yes One hit is achievable nowadays not unlike in the past pvp’s. Remember you are using t3 sets+ accessories keep that in mind, and yet having a good vpn and good script will make make the job done. Im just being neutral here , since I also had some pc checks in the past.
Hithack
Speedhack etc.
yes One hit is achievable nowadays not unlike in the past pvp’s. Remember you are using t3 sets+ accessories keep that in mind, and yet having a good vpn and good script will make make the job done. Im just being neutral here , since I also had some pc checks in the past.
No system is ever perfect. Anything can be penetrated / bypassed, given time and experience. The best type of anti cheat is kernel level anti cheat, but as Kronky said, it's pretty invasive.
@Gryphon, no such thing will happen. Giving specific reasons like that will only warn cheaters what not to use or be careful when using it. Do you want that?
@Gryphon, no such thing will happen. Giving specific reasons like that will only warn cheaters what not to use or be careful when using it. Do you want that?
Gryphon
Dawn of Daybreak
Nah, but i still get the point of keeping that in private tho, but keep in mind that these cheat apps are all in one programs that allows the users to try specific ingame advantage in thier ends.No system is ever perfect. Anything can be penetrated / bypassed, given time and experience. The best type of anti cheat is kernel level anti cheat, but as Kronky said, it's pretty invasive.
@Gryphon, no such thing will happen. Giving specific reasons like that will only warn cheaters what not to use or be careful when using it. Do you want that?
Even billion-dollar companies struggle to fully stop cheats — and you expect LiveGuard to do it all? 
It’s the same reason Valve avoids putting their anti-cheat in the kernel: to protect users’ system integrity. LiveGuard works more like a gatekeeper, blocking the most dangerous exploits like disconnect hacks, trade hacks, and similar threats.
On top of that, we have detailed panels (from LiveGuard AntiCheat) where we can trace player logs and monitor running processes, which gives us solid insight into suspicious behavior.
Hopefully that helps you understand why LiveGuard can’t block kernel-level cheats directly. If a regular player values their system’s security — especially if they use it for banking or store sensitive information — they wouldn’t risk running unknown programs, especially cheats. All of those are well packed (to avoid cracking the cheat and use it for free forever), and who knows what they’re hiding — keyloggers, data stealers, etc.
Cheaters take that risk, and many eventually get reported on our forums and banned. Simple as that.
It’s the same reason Valve avoids putting their anti-cheat in the kernel: to protect users’ system integrity. LiveGuard works more like a gatekeeper, blocking the most dangerous exploits like disconnect hacks, trade hacks, and similar threats.On top of that, we have detailed panels (from LiveGuard AntiCheat) where we can trace player logs and monitor running processes, which gives us solid insight into suspicious behavior.
Hopefully that helps you understand why LiveGuard can’t block kernel-level cheats directly. If a regular player values their system’s security — especially if they use it for banking or store sensitive information — they wouldn’t risk running unknown programs, especially cheats. All of those are well packed (to avoid cracking the cheat and use it for free forever), and who knows what they’re hiding — keyloggers, data stealers, etc.
Cheaters take that risk, and many eventually get reported on our forums and banned. Simple as that.
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So what I'm sensing over here, is not a problem of the liveguard, even though that's what started this topic, but a problem of how the bans are displayed to the community, and why the words "Undetectable Cheat" are commonly used, but that's what Toby stated, the name of the programs or what they really used, must be hidden from the public eyes with a certain reason: to protect the server and the community, so others won't be tempted to do the same as they could think a game can be played behind the curtains if you are aware of the GMs and use haxorus.
On a personal note: we shouldn't care for the LiveGuard efficiency, but on the scums that are trying to infect the server with haxs, which is not healthy for anyone...
But that's the world we live in, the cheats are more common than protection, and far well advanced...
Really, the best we can do as a community is stay true, keep improving and stop the toxic mentality. Infinity has become less active because of the staff, some say. And to be fair they are not wrong with the fact itself, yet they are with their reasoning. Problem is with players that cheat and their friends that defend them. Pack leader gets banned and takes their friends with them, and everyone hates on staff for no good reason. There is no need for players to monitor bans, because there will not be a single wrong ban that stays for a long time, if the ban is not correct, Venci himself will unban the player. Biased staff? Guys, you have no idea how far Toby will go on a witchhunt to find the one staffer that dared to abuse their powers in any way. I won't say nothing, all in due time and if he decides to reveal it, but I have seen it happen. He will hunt relentlessly. Staff works for you, not against you. Only those that break the rules are subject of staff working against them, so those that bash staff obviously are doing something that they shouldn't, most of the time at least.
In essence, it's not really the anticheat, it's more about the mentality that spreads around. Malicious players, even ex staffers that feel that they have been wronged, all are creating this endless drama. For what? This is the only amazing S3 left in existance, we need to treasure it. We are all in the same boat, staff or just a regular player, we all play a part in making sure that cheaters don't play here. I am sure that in many occasions players find out that their guild mate is cheating before staff does. Reject them, throw them out of the friend circle if they refuse to stop using cheats, ffs, report them immediately. Only by fostering mentality which dictates that cheaters are not welcomed by anyone, and I mean ANYONE, will we reduce how often they pop up. Make GM team jobless, be a man
We can do this if we act together and believe in the same thing, which is this server. There is a lot of power in masses.
In essence, it's not really the anticheat, it's more about the mentality that spreads around. Malicious players, even ex staffers that feel that they have been wronged, all are creating this endless drama. For what? This is the only amazing S3 left in existance, we need to treasure it. We are all in the same boat, staff or just a regular player, we all play a part in making sure that cheaters don't play here. I am sure that in many occasions players find out that their guild mate is cheating before staff does. Reject them, throw them out of the friend circle if they refuse to stop using cheats, ffs, report them immediately. Only by fostering mentality which dictates that cheaters are not welcomed by anyone, and I mean ANYONE, will we reduce how often they pop up. Make GM team jobless, be a man
We can do this if we act together and believe in the same thing, which is this server. There is a lot of power in masses.
+++If this thread is about Pusa... that's part of our convo with DORAEMON about the ban. I wanted to see what was found on the PC check.
Results from the PC Check:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Driver Booster\DriverBooster.exe
C:\Main.exe
C:\Launcher.exe
(We dont find a reason you need to install mu client directly inside C:\ directory
(IObit booster usually is at C:\Program Files (x86)\IObit\Driver Booster.exe )
Regarding the PC check: suspicious apps were found, but they were already deleted, so we couldn’t confirm their exact nature. PC checks aren’t 100% reliable, cheats can be renamed or hidden
My answer to this is simple, just like our staff team always reminds us, don’t use hacks, that’s all. If everyone followed that, we’ll never see threads about undetectable cheats. Our anti-cheat system isn’t weak (though it's not perfect), but our staff team is doing its best to block the hundreds or even thousands of cheats out there.
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It's essentially the same story all over again and again (I have banned hundreds of cheaters and all kinds of cheaters groups):
Sorry for my little rant, but I feel like some players don't really believe our bans are legit. The topic has been answered well enough, I think. The most important part to take from this is that despite the anti-cheat's imperfections, we are making sure we catch anybody who managed to slip its defense. Bans are not given randomly and are always discussed by the whole team, and then it's just 1 GM who takes the ban action, but that doesn't mean that it was the sole decision of this staff member alone (I am pointing to @MrShadoOow and his haters).
And for those who are too curious to know the exact reason for their bans, I can simply suggest you watch the video in detail. See if you can simulate the same strange and weird stuff.
a cheater gets banned; he's not okay being exposed and feeds some BS story about how the staff team banned him unfairly, etc., to his close circle of friends he plays with, and they blindly believe him. Because why would their friend lie to them, right? This is one scenario. The other scenario, and in my opinion the worse one, is when the cheater's circle of friends are cheaters as well and they are in panic mode, so they create drama and try to divert the staff's focus elsewhere or make them look inexperienced so players would think their bans shouldn't be 100% trusted. Typical cheater's brainrot thinking. And it is always the case, no matter the nationality or how old they have been playing in our server. Newbies and veterans alike. They also cry straight to the Owner the same as well, instead of contacting the Game Master Team which is responsible for the ban. If one is actually innocent, he would go through the process of a normal ban appeal like a decent, civilized human being.Sorry for my little rant, but I feel like some players don't really believe our bans are legit. The topic has been answered well enough, I think. The most important part to take from this is that despite the anti-cheat's imperfections, we are making sure we catch anybody who managed to slip its defense. Bans are not given randomly and are always discussed by the whole team, and then it's just 1 GM who takes the ban action, but that doesn't mean that it was the sole decision of this staff member alone (I am pointing to @MrShadoOow and his haters).
And for those who are too curious to know the exact reason for their bans, I can simply suggest you watch the video in detail. See if you can simulate the same strange and weird stuff.
Let them hate me, bro. I don't mind it; I'm doing my job and helping the server and the game I love. I have no personal reward or gift for doing it. I'm wasting my time and my mood to help this community with my knowledge. If someone hates me, there is another who loves and respects me, and Thanks to both haters and lovers, no one can make all the world love him who ever he is.