Discussion rules dont bite,, untill they do

[Deli]

as we all know the game rule is updated today. rules can be update time to time ofcourse. but i saw something on this one.
i hope some of did too.
its actualy funny to see how fast justice evolves around here. just as the echoes that public apology drama from yesterday were still fading, a brand new "shiny rulebook" drops out nowhere and somehow it gets applied to something that happened before it even existed... and only for one person(for now)

like i said before, we are moving from individual performances of repentance to a more standardized subscription for second chances.
but now a rule comes out today and they start applyng it to yesterday. it makes no sense.

if a rule is gonna be applied, it should start after its announced. thats how any fair system works.
im not saying who is right or wrong here, im just pointing out how illogical this whole thing is.
its truly impressve to see a rule book that can travel back in time to fix the past, most of us only manage to handle the future.
one more thing; if someone caught for hack usage i agreed to ban or whatever it takes no doubt.

another thing is public apolgy its a bit nasty. because do u really blieve him/her ? he/she has to do it for unban account ofcourse after donate.
and another strange part here, related to why i called the public apology nasty,
players mocking the person who opened the topic.
do u really get some kind of enjoyment from this?
if so, it might be worth reflecting on it, or even talking to a professional.

if the rules let to play via unban donation for hackers, dont blame him/her. blame the rules.

im not saying hackers should play, but whether i say it or not, they somehow always end up playing anyway. ( you know them well ) we should at least be honest enough to accept that.

mentioned from updated rules "(returned exiled players, 2nd offense will be applied if caught again)"
becomes proof of what i said earlier:

if the rules let hackers to play, dont blame the hackers, blame the rules.

and one final thought for everyone
take this as a reminder: even a simple rule can change after you make a mistake,
and suddenly u might be the one facing consequences.

ps. u might find part of i wrote is wrong, and maybe u r right, but that doesnt apply to the other things i said. just because im right or wrong on one specific point doesnt mean it covers the whole post

ps v2. i’ve never been banned for any kind of hacks. every ban i got was just because i cant hold my words — no shame in that. i've chilled out a bit, but there is still a volcano burning inside me
/ ofc those all are my toughts. but hey,, i dont make the ruless. \

so what u thinks guys ? dont hold back, im curious how you see all this​

 

[Brasko]

but I see that this rule was posted in November 2025

 

[Albaz]

The new rule existed before, not today, they are just using the bumping function. But I think the rule is still too soft for them, we should increase the return-to-play fee, we still keep 50 for the first return, but if they get caught again, the second return’s fee will be double the cost of the first return, and if they still get caught again, the third return will be double the cost of the second return.

 

[SuperStell]

I think there are two extremes: one is that we don't have enough players to keep the game competitive and fun for the players themselves, so unfortunately it ends up being necessary to let the cheaters return to the game.
Secondly, the release of paid hacking programs that offer various features, including easy accessibility, ends up corrupting more and more players who, instead of learning how to play, prefer to buy this shits to feel good.
Honestly, I don't believe it's a problem with the game's rules to let cheaters back, especially since without them the game was practically deserted, and the administrators need money because, after all, does anyone here work for free?
I think it's becoming increasingly difficult to find players, and that more and more players who were supposedly honest are starting to succumb to using hacks, so we should take advantage of this for the benefit of the game itself and the administrators. How? Increasing the cost of unbans and deleting accounts after one or more bans that way forcing bad players to spend more money creating new accounts, even though they will eventually I Love InfinityMU up again.
Regarding insults, humiliation, mockery, and other offensive things, I'm not in favor of that, but I believe that the intention of the public apology wasn't that; rather, it was for the player to demonstrate that he was truly sorry and wanted to return to the game.
Unfortunately, those who start these threads are dishonest and write empty words even knowing that they will continue to do the same old stupid things, and the other players, already used to it, use these moments to share their dissatisfaction with these players.
I think this is a cultural problem and it's our fault as players.
Stop using that shits, stop giving money to those damn black market programmers, learn to play and enjoy the game. Being the best isn't the most important thing; the game is really cool and fun, just enjoy it and be happy.

 

[Heruvim]

The rules didn’t update today. You didn’t even bother to read the top of the thread to see when it was created. It was bumped today as a reminder. You wrote a big-ass novel about something that’s completely wrong. Learn reading comprehension and make sure you have all your facts straight before trying to start drama.

 

[Mergen]

I support this post
This isn’t about defending cheaters or attacking anyone personally. It’s about consistency, logic, and fairness. Rules should not be applied retroactively, especially when they conveniently affect only one person. That undermines trust in the system, regardless of who is involved.
Public apologies made under pressure l especially when donations and unbans are involved are not genuine accountability. They’re transactions. Mocking people who point this out only makes the situation look worse, not better.
If the rules allow certain behaviors, then responsibility lies with the rules themselves, not with players who act within that framework. Blaming individuals while ignoring flawed systems solves nothing.
You don’t have to agree with every sentence in this post to understand the core message
And there is one more issue that bothers me: forcing people to apologize repeatedly in different situations, then mocking and belittling them afterward. Certain individuals consistently speak to players in a condescending and uncomfortable manner. This is truly disturbing.
People make mistakes. Have you never made a mistake in your life? Have you never felt regret?
So why are we constantly trying to mock others?
In my opinion, this is another area where our behavior needs improvement.
These are my thoughts and opinions. I respect everyone’s views, and I expect the same respect for my own.
I wish everyone good game

 

[#Deluxa]

Bullying people individually is a degrading act. Regarding the rules and regulations of the game, I want to say that justice cannot be delivered in an oppressive and aggressive way. The law that applies today did not apply yesterday, my friends. If there is any doubt, "the accused benefits from the doubt, and a law against the accused cannot be applied retroactively." Therefore, we play as a team; we avoid individualism within the community. As a friend only, please refrain from using programs or making statements that could harm the server.

 

[★Gokhan★]

Alohaaaa!


I also believe what the Deli' said. so logically Then the live guard is being paid for nothing. So I think it's in vain My past isn't very bright, though.

It was more common in the past, but now the player base has aged.

So, how appropriate is it for a banned person to be viewed as inferior by society? Mistakes are part of being human, but we need to learn from them. Conditions will continue to change if things continue like this. It will be difficult to overcome the hackers' path in this cycle of years.

I find it particularly funny that GM Team treat video gamers like soldiers and look down on them. Come on, we're playing a game, not forming a military unit. Everyone has the right to live within a framework of respect and love.

Those who play online are mostly older youngsters now; everyone should act their age...

 

[Shanks]

It seems the past actions has reignited the flame in some old players and we are glad to see around old faces and to boost this community with players, even if they played here since the beginning and came back, or are fresh faces, everybody is welcomed! Even cheaters are, regardless of how they treated others, but they need to bend the knee before certain rules like PC checks, gameplay and so on.
Apology threads are for honest people to submit what they are thinking, how they did mistakes and to actually let the community know that they are sorry, and people having their say in those threads are their own right: the right to talk and to express themselves, same thing as you did here, even tho you are wrong because the rules aren't changed over night and then the staff keeps digging in history to apply what you did in 2012... what you just said, your opinion, for me seems to have a spark of "blaming staff"..

The staff team is here to catch those cheaters, and they will do it, be sure of it, as well as applying the rules fair and square ^__^

 

[Halfdanjal]

Honestly, this thread makes it very clear who prefers a fair game and who has a history of shortcuts.

People who don’t cheat don’t end up banned, monitored, forced into apology threads, or signing final warnings. Those problems don’t appear out of nowhere. They are the result of choices made, often repeatedly.

After more than 10 years of the same names, the same groups, and the same behavior, expecting sympathy, endless explanations, or special treatment is unrealistic.

The logic is very simple. Don’t cheat and you won’t face any of these issues. Fair players don’t need second chances. Cheaters do. That alone says everything.

 

[Tobλ]

To be expected, only friends of the recently unbanned blacklisted players are supporting such a thread. You did not even bother to check the date of that thread.

To me, cheaters will always be the worst, bottom-feeding scum of the online world. They do not deserve to breathe the same air we do. One-time cheater, okay, probably fooled around and found out. Second-time cheater? Well, sir, there is definitely something wrong with your brain. Being a third-time cheater is actual mental retardation. Anything above a third-time cheater, you should probably get professional help and stop playing this game in particular if you are so bad at it that you have to cheat your way every goddamn time.

Mind you, there are blacklisted exilees that were banned 5-6x or more. Their opinion should not matter, and they should be happy they got a chance at all to play again. An honest apology, an unban donation, and a fresh account are the least they can do. But oh well, most of them are egoistic, prideful little persons with no self-reflection. So pardon my language, but I don't care what the cheaters want or think. Either you cheaters fall in line and listen to what you are told, or leave.

I had enough cheaters ruin my games.

 

[★Gokhan★]

In fact, that's exactly your attitude: you're looking down from above.

The mistake is ours, as humans...


Playing against a hacker is impossible, but you can encounter hacks. I'm sure even the cleanest player has used them at least once. Let's not lie. Players are not responsible for this.

 

[Tobλ]

In fact, that's exactly your attitude: you're looking down from above.

The mistake is ours, as humans...


Playing against a hacker is impossible, but you can encounter hacks. I'm sure even the cleanest player has used them at least once. Let's not lie. Players are not responsible for this.

You are wrong on so many levels.

It's the cheaters who have no morals whatsoever, and their attitude sucks given that they almost never learn and just repeat their mistake again. Why are you defending them when some of them have 5-6x or more chances after cheating so many times?

Cheaters did that themselves, and players are in their right to ridicule them. Within a limit, of course.

Suffer the consequences of their actions if they wish to play in our server again.

 

[Halfdanjal]

At this point, it’s important to be clear about something. Opinions coming from active cheaters, repeat offenders, or ex-cheaters who have not yet proven real change carry no weight here. That is not arrogance, that is consequence. Trust is not automatic, and it is certainly not restored by words, threads, or donations.

Change is always welcome. We are genuinely happy to see players improve, play fair, and contribute positively. But belief comes after proof, not before it. Until that proof exists over time, expectations are different.

Returning from a ban does not come with rights. It comes with conditions. Repeated mistakes do not earn privileges, they remove them. What is left are responsibilities and restrictions. Lefts, not rights.

Those who truly change will have no issue accepting this, because they understand why it exists. Those who keep arguing, demanding, or acting entitled only prove that nothing has changed yet.

The path forward is simple. Show change consistently, and trust will follow. Until then, the rules are not a discussion.

One last note. Coming back after years of inactivity just to lecture active players and staff about standards, responsibility, or how things “really are” does not carry much weight.

This server has been running, enforcing rules, and dealing with the same problems continuously. Context matters. Consistency matters. Being present matters.

If someone wants their voice to be taken seriously again, the way to do that is the same as for everyone else. Be active, be constructive, and show understanding of how things actually work now.

 

[Deli]

first of all, thanks for the "reading comprehension" tips guys. i stand corrected on the rules release date; it was a bump, not a brand-new post. my bad. but if u think that changes the core of my point, u r missing the forest for the trees. as i already mentioned in my first post (ps section), i knew some parts might be technicaly wrong, but that doesnt change the rest of what i said. u r literally focusing on one branch while the whole forest is burning.

the main goal of my post wasnt even about the ban rules themselves, but somehow u guys turned this into a "we hate hackers" parade.

now, lets address the elephant in the room cuz some of u r desperately trying to turn this into a "he is defending hackers!" drama:

to the "hacker hunter" squad: i never said hackers shouldnt be banned. in fact, i clearly wrote: "if someone is caught for hack usage, i agree to ban or whatever it takes, no doubt." re-read that part before calling me a friend of cheaters. my point isnt about the guilt of the players; its about the consistency of the staff. if u hate hackers so much, why arent u complaining about the fact that they can simply "buy" their way back in? u r attacking the player while defending the system that trades integrity for donations.

about the "public apology" & mockery: toby says players have the right to ridicule them. someone says returning comes with "restrictions, not rights." this isnt a justice system; its a medieval pillory. if u want a professional area, act professional. if a player pays the fine and follows the rules, they should be allowed to play. if they cheat again, ban them again. but creating a "shame corner" for people to get their daily dose of ego-boosting by mocking others is just toxic. if u need to kick someone who is already down to feel superior, that says more about u than them.

the "u r not active enough to speak" argument: the idea that "u havent been here for years, so ur opinion carries no weight" is the weakest argument in forum history. logic is universal. u dont need to be an active player to see that a system based on "pay to get unbanned + public humiliation" is a mess. actually, coming from the outside gives a clearer perspective cuz im not blinded by years of "thats just how it is here" mentality.

im not here to win a popularity contest. im pointing out that the current "standardized subscription for second chances" (as i called it) is a business model, not a justice system. dont act like this is about "morals" or "fair play" when the door is kept open for a price tag.

if u want to keep attacking me personally or keep talking about how much u hate hackers, go ahead. but it wont change the fact that the system u r defending is the very thing that keeps those hackers coming back.

 

[Luigir]

so what u thinks guys ? dont hold back, im curious how you see all this

I think we all noticed, this was more like a message to your group, probably you didn't even notice where you posting this, but that's ok.

if u want a professional area, act professional. if a player pays the fine and follows the rules, they should be allowed to play. if they cheat again, ban them again.

And what makes you think everyone is fine with this rule? me for example, not even 0%. Rest of fellas here i bet they don't like as well.
The fact that we don't own the game, we just follow and communicate, we shape the game rules but WE are not the final word and definitely we won't keep quiet if we don't like something.
My personal preference has no impact in what we have to do later, yet here i'm being loyal with this server, doing what i like even if i have to bite my tongue sometimes, but again, if i see people that was causing too much damage in the past, you know, i can't hold my words, there is a volcano inside of me that doesn't let me hold it.

but somehow u guys turned this into a "we hate hackers" parade.

Because we do, you don't like it? too bad because not gonna stop.

 

[Tobλ]

Deli, I think you are missing out on the entire point of what we are saying here. You better re-read our posts.

to the "hacker hunter" squad: i never said hackers shouldnt be banned. in fact, i clearly wrote: "if someone is caught for hack usage, i agree to ban or whatever it takes, no doubt." re-read that part before calling me a friend of cheaters. my point isnt about the guilt of the players; its about the consistency of the staff. if u hate hackers so much, why arent u complaining about the fact that they can simply "buy" their way back in? u r attacking the player while defending the system that trades integrity for donations.

Trust me, we are always against unbanning the worst of the worst cheaters, but ultimately it's not entirely only our decision. Most players don't like it either, but we are playing the cards we are dealt. But at this point our system is strictly set that any more chances are less likely since now their cheating will be punished by actual deletion of all their accounts.

about the "public apology" & mockery: toby says players have the right to ridicule them. someone says returning comes with "restrictions, not rights." this isnt a justice system; its a medieval pillory. if u want a professional area, act professional. if a player pays the fine and follows the rules, they should be allowed to play. if they cheat again, ban them again. but creating a "shame corner" for people to get their daily dose of ego-boosting by mocking others is just toxic. if u need to kick someone who is already down to feel superior, that says more about u than them.

im not here to win a popularity contest. im pointing out that the current "standardized subscription for second chances" (as i called it) is a business model, not a justice system. dont act like this is about "morals" or "fair play" when the door is kept open for a price tag.

This is the problem here. We never invite those blacklisted players to come back. They want to come back, there's a difference. And with their demand to come back, we also have a few demands in return, which they must accept, or they will not be allowed to come back. By default and using common sense, their comeback is conditioned by several things, which means they don't really have the same rights as normal players. They are banned from BTA trades for a long period of time, they lose all their honorary tags they once had, and they are subjected to PC checks whenever we deem necessary. These are real and justified given the severity of their past actions. Their comeback must be a redemption path, they are not granted 100% trust upon being able to play.

If a cheater does not like this, he doesn't need to come back, does he? Nobody is forced or asked to be back. It's simple logic, Deli.

if u want to keep attacking me personally or keep talking about how much u hate hackers, go ahead. but it wont change the fact that the system u r defending is the very thing that keeps those hackers coming back.

I don't think we ever attacked you personally, we just pointed out and questioned your stance on the cheaters matter. We are only being very honest about this matter. As I said in the previous point, we never ask them to come back. So anything that they don't like is on them. Just read carefully what @Halfdanjal wrote and try to understand it.

 

[Deli]

i get ur point about the "redemption path," but its kinda funny how that path has a toll booth.

just to be clear, im not here to defend cheaters. if they hack, ban them. simple. but all these restrictions like pc checks and losing tags sound fine, but taking their money and then encouraging everyone to mock them feels more like a circus than actual justice. maybe thats not ur intention, but thats exactly whats happening.

This thread is now closed to prevent further comments such as “you are this, you are that.”
Please stop judging and focus on playing the game.

even resi had to step in and close other threads because the mockery was getting out of hand.


if these players r truly "the worst of the worst," why is there a price tag for their return at all? u say "nobody is forced to come back," and ur right. but when u keep the door ajar for a fee, it defeats the whole purpose of a ban. justice should be about integrity, not affordability. making players share their screens shows that u dont even trust the people u just took money from. and honestly, if u feel the need to manually monitor every move of a player, why even bother paying for an anti-cheat system? it makes the anti-cheat look useless if u have to do its job yourself manually.

taking the donation while saying "we dont trust u" makes it look less like a justice system and more like a business model. ur basically selling "limited rights" instead of actually fixing the problem. if the goal is to keep the community clean, u dont sell tickets back to the people who dirtied it. what i want is consistency: stop using "justice" as a cover for a transaction. either keep the trash out for good, or admit that this is just about the money. feeding this cycle of public mockery is doing more damage to the community than the cheaters themselves.

 

[Halfdanjal]

i get ur point about the "redemption path," but its kinda funny how that path has a toll booth.

just to be clear, im not here to defend cheaters. if they hack, ban them. simple. but all these restrictions like pc checks and losing tags sound fine, but taking their money and then encouraging everyone to mock them feels more like a circus than actual justice. maybe thats not ur intention, but thats exactly whats happening.


even resi had to step in and close other threads because the mockery was getting out of hand.


if these players r truly "the worst of the worst," why is there a price tag for their return at all? u say "nobody is forced to come back," and ur right. but when u keep the door ajar for a fee, it defeats the whole purpose of a ban. justice should be about integrity, not affordability. making players share their screens shows that u dont even trust the people u just took money from. and honestly, if u feel the need to manually monitor every move of a player, why even bother paying for an anti-cheat system? it makes the anti-cheat look useless if u have to do its job yourself manually.

taking the donation while saying "we dont trust u" makes it look less like a justice system and more like a business model. ur basically selling "limited rights" instead of actually fixing the problem. if the goal is to keep the community clean, u dont sell tickets back to the people who dirtied it. what i want is consistency: stop using "justice" as a cover for a transaction. either keep the trash out for good, or admit that this is just about the money. feeding this cycle of public mockery is doing more damage to the community than the cheaters themselves.

Well, for one, if it was up to us, bans would be permanent and final. I’ve said this more than once. But it isn’t up to us. It’s up to the Owner, and only him. Whether we like it or not, that’s the reality. I’ve personally spoken with Venci about this in the past, and yes, I also believe that repeatedly letting cheaters back hurts the game long term. It’s actually one of the reasons I stepped away from Infinity for a few years myself when this kept happening.

But staff doesn’t get to rewrite that decision. We work with the cards we’re dealt. The apology threads, restrictions, checks, loss of privileges, those are not “circus,” they are damage control. An attempt to put safeguards around a situation we didn’t create and don’t fully control.

As for mockery, we don’t invite it, organize it, or encourage it. But we’re also not going to police people’s reactions when a known repeat offender comes back. Players are allowed to be unhappy about that. Being upset about cheaters returning is not toxic, cheating is. Pointing out the obvious is not an invitation to ridicule, it’s a consequence of history.

You’re right about one thing, there is distrust. And that’s intentional. Taking a donation doesn’t magically restore trust, and it never has. The checks, restrictions, and loss of status exist precisely because words and money don’t mean anything by themselves. Trust comes after behavior over time. If someone finds that unfair or humiliating, they are free not to come back. Nobody is forced through that door.

Calling this a “business model” ignores the part where staff openly dislikes the situation just as much as many players do. But disagreeing with it doesn’t mean we get to opt out of enforcing it. We try to contain the damage, not pretend it doesn’t exist.

So yes, you’re touching on issues that are real. They’re just not where you think the responsibility lies. And until that changes, the expectations for returning cheaters will remain exactly this strict, not because we enjoy it, but because history has proven it necessary.

 

[Deli]

I think we all noticed, this was more like a message to your group, probably you didn't even notice where you posting this, but that's ok.


And what makes you think everyone is fine with this rule? me for example, not even 0%. Rest of fellas here i bet they don't like as well.
The fact that we don't own the game, we just follow and communicate, we shape the game rules but WE are not the final word and definitely we won't keep quiet if we don't like something.
My personal preference has no impact in what we have to do later, yet here i'm being loyal with this server, doing what i like even if i have to bite my tongue sometimes, but again, if i see people that was causing too much damage in the past, you know, i can't hold my words, there is a volcano inside of me that doesn't let me hold it.


Because we do, you don't like it? too bad because not gonna stop.

there is a small but important mix-up in ur reply. in the sentence “if a player pays the fine and follows the rules,” fine clearly means a penalty or fee, not being “fine with” the rule. ur response, however, seems to be built entirely on that second interpretation.

because of that, the reply doesnt actually address the argument that was made, but one that exists only after misreading it. the discussion wasnt about who agrees with the rule, it was about whether paying a price is replacing fairness and consistency.

in a topic like this, precision matters. "staff" shouldnt fall into this kind of confusion so easily, and even more so when the person replying is the "head game master". otherwise the debate shifts from what is being said to what is accidentally read into it, and that helps no one.

one more thing, the “we hate hackers” line. never once did i defend hackers or say anyone should go easy on them. somehow u turned it into a “hero vs cheaters” story like u r the savior of the server. funny thing is, it totally misses the actual point we were talking about. also, that “too bad cuz not gonna stop” classic extra hero drama, wasnt even part of the convo.

and this “i think we all noticed, this was more like a message to your group…” lol, calling it that doesnt make u right, but u kinda act like it does, like u r trying to use it to prove a point. besides, whether i had a group or not doesnt even change the point we were talking about.