Visible proofs / evidences in ban thread

[Miyeon]

Dear Staff Team,
The most important of a ban thread, is proofs of banned player. In some thread, everyone can easy see the proof (e.g: video with youtube link).
However, there are many ban threads that its evidences are not viewable for everyone as it should be (e.g: HERE)
Yes it may be a forum's feature, that only staff member can see it. The solution is very simple, take SS of the proofs and post it to imgur or postimg so everyone can see it.

Best.
Miyeon.

 

[#Lucifer]

I agree with seing things of what is the reason of the cause. I mean whatever it is, it should be the responsible of the seer, on what to do on the information provided in the threads. It is up to his consciousness and maturity to evaluate things on what he has read.

Examle would be talking native language in SB: I mean, i would view the thread but dang what that mf say that is native and has posted in SB. xD
Curiousity kills me! HAHAHAHA

 

[[G]ogeta]

I don't agree with this.
Some evidence is hidden for simple reasons, e.g. when someone mentioned another mu server, the evidence is hidden so as not to spread these servers.
If such evidence was revealed, another player might be interested in another server and leave our server.
It's just like in real life, if someone was sentenced to prison, that person knows what he was sentenced for and the evidence was presented to him, people not related to this case may know the reason for his punishment but they do not have to know the evidence because it does not concern them.

 

[Miyeon]

Some evidence is hidden for simple reasons, e.g. when someone mentioned another mu server, the evidence is hidden so as not to spread these servers.
If such evidence was revealed, another player might be interested in another server and leave our server.

Sure, in your example, still take SS and blur the other server's name that is mentioned in SS.

It's just like in real life, if someone was sentenced to prison, that person knows what he was sentenced for and the evidence was presented to him, people not related to this case may know the reason for his punishment but they do not have to know the evidence because it does not concern them.

In real life, we will have a public trial, accuser with his proofs, accused with his lawer, even we have the recording of whole trial.

Examle would be talking native language in SB: I mean, i would view the thread but dang what that mf say that is native and has posted in SB. xD
Curiousity kills me! HAHAHAHA

Just like Lucifer said before, it's ridiculous for me that there is a "proofs item" in ban thread but i can not see them.

 

[Khaled]

Hello, some proofs must be hidden and some of them we can easily take SS and put it on the thread.
For the thread you mentioned if you opened the thread and took a look you will see Viola's post somewhere. Like Here i didnt deleted it.
But not all proofs must be visible.
You were MOD and you knows how we work.

 

[Miyeon]

Hello, some proofs must be hidden and some of them we can easily take SS and put it on the thread.
For the thread you mentioned if you opened the thread and took a look you will see Viola's post somewhere. Like Here i didnt deleted it.
But not all proofs must be visible.

I agree that not all proofs must be visible, however, a part of it must be. Either may i ask you about the purpose of proof part in ban thread?

I'd like to add my opinion about the purpose of proofs in ban thread.
With Proofs / Evidences everyone can conclude that the ban is fair enough with valid proof (not every time staff's decision is right, we all make a mistake).

 

[Khaled]

not every time staff's decision is right, we all make a mistake).

I agree with you, we are humans and we have our mistakes. But that incase if only 1 took the decision.
We always discussing before issue any ban.
So if there is anyone made mistake the other one will correct him. Not all will agree on the same mistake.

 

[Luigir]

Surely some proofs are viewable some are not, specially the deleted messages in forum for flaming or insulting, etc. I agree there can be a change, to make a SS about of the proof and post in the thread if the MOD team agrees ofc.
BUT

With Proofs / Evidences everyone can conclude that the ban is fair enough with valid proof (not every time staff's decision is right, we all make a mistake).

are you doing this because you are curious what Viola did or he messaged you complaining or what exactly? feels like some sort of ban appeal imo, maybe you should ask him, he knows the reason but i'm going to quote you his last words in that thread.

...What in the in the bloody heavenly called Hell you talking here ??
You couldnt face a dam elf for sake lord withouth your scrips.
Im so flabbergasted that i still have to reread after what ive read this lie over dozen times.. ewwww
Lmao.. dude? Im ded.. x.x
My 20+ years opinion is that 3rd party programs or how heck theyr called they shall be forbidden.
Macro does same damage as a hack since its giving an advantage over fair players.
Also same as a hack.. is a source of money.. this dude I quoted up there have sold already scrips.. and the $$ went to his account.. not imu accoount. Dooh. Bye.

I have to quote this as well

There is a difference when you accuse in aggressive way and when you approach something with respect.

thanks @Halfdanjal for the amazing quote he made on Discord (we literally had a small chat with viola on discord about this).

So i have no clue what was Viola's intention, like he wanted to bring something unnecessary instead of just giving a honest opinion about the suggestion itself, sorry but wtf is this? i'm inclining myself to believe this suggestion has another intention rather than just requesting viewable proofs in the future.

 

[Miyeon]

Surely some proofs are viewable some are not, specially the deleted messages in forum for flaming or insulting, etc. I agree there can be a change, to make a SS about of the proof and post in the thread if the MOD team agrees ofc.
BUT


are you doing this because you are curious what Viola did or he messaged you complaining or what exactly? feels like some sort of ban appeal imo, maybe you should ask him, he knows the reason but i'm going to quote you his last words in that thread.



I have to quote this as well thanks @Halfdanjal for the amazing quote he made on Discord (we literally had a small chat with viola on discord about this).

So i have no clue what was Viola's intention, like he wanted to bring something unnecessary instead of just giving a honest opinion about the suggestion itself, sorry but wtf is this? i'm inclining myself to believe this suggestion has another intention rather than just requesting viewable proofs in the future.

@Luigir you see the section right? Forum Suggestion.
This thread is A Suggestion from normal player, for better game and forum, nothing else.

 

[Luigir]

@Luigir you see the section right? Forum Suggestion.
This thread is A Suggestion from normal player, for better game and forum, nothing else.

This suggestion has a double goal imo, you clearly stated your curiosity about Viola's case. Turned out being differently im afraid.

 

[Miyeon]

This suggestion has a double goal imo, you clearly stated your curiosity about Viola's case. Turned out being differently im afraid.

I said my point clearly. This thread is just a suggestion. If you wanma know am i curios about Viola's case, make a Question thread and i will answer you there

 

[Tobλ]

Mibobo, Mibobo. Have you forgotten? Any player can request in private to see the proofs, except, of course, advertising proofs or, in some rare cases, cheating proofs that may contain sensitive information and other similar proofs.

 

[Miyeon]

Mibobo, Mibobo. Have you forgotten? Any player can request in private to see the proofs, except, of course, advertising proofs or, in some rare cases, cheating proofs that may contain sensitive information and other similar proofs.

There, there, this is best answer i've received, thanks youuu a lot @Tobλ . So almost proofs are viewable for player, wonderful.
As i said before about the advertising case

Sure, in your example, still take SS and blur the other server's name that is mentioned in SS.

I do agree about some rare cases, that proofs may not be viewable, but a part of them should be, even cheating proofs.
Example: https://forum.infinitymu.net/threads/spec-yjbr-egcg.138220/post-1688051


For staff who doesn't agree with me, i'd like to ask you a question. For you, what is the purpose of proof part in ban thread?

 

[SuperCris]

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I believe the person affected by the ban can request the evidence from a Staff member.
Anyway, evidence that mentions other servers should be hidden from all players.
Videos of players using hacks make sense to be visible to everyone, but when another server is mentioned, they should be blocked from the community.

I also don't understand why you're so interested in seeing evidence of a ban when you weren't affected.
It's simply proof of an insult, If you have any doubts about the staff or the account ban, remember that there's a section in the forum where you can file a complaint about unfair bans.

 

[Khaled]

For staff who doesn't agree with me, i'd like to ask you a question. For you, what is the purpose of proof part in ban thread?

Our responses doesn't mean we are not agree. As i mentioned before, there are proofs should be hidden.
For many reasons, like avoid flames, insults and some other reasons.
In other hand the proofs are visible for the whole staff team, as tobias mentioned if anyone PMed any of the staff team and asked for the proofs they will get it.
There is no sense of your thread since the players can ask to see the proofs.
There are many things changed in the MOD team, i was here before @Tobλ & @Dimer joining back and im still here working with them. And you all can see the difference between before and now, the forum is improved a lot. Do you think we didn't know about the proofs in the bans thread? But since it doesn't harm anyone or anything we kept it as it is now.
At the end we will discuss it in the MODs area and will see if we will allow it or not.

 

[Miyeon]

I also don't understand why you're so interested in seeing evidence of a ban when you weren't affected.

It's my right, not interested or not.

remember that there's a section in the forum where you can file a complaint about unfair bans.

How can i complain about unfair bans without seeing the proofs? using my women sense?

 

[Luigir]

I do agree about some rare cases, that proofs may not be viewable, but a part of them should be, even cheating proofs.
Example: https://forum.infinitymu.net/threads/spec-yjbr-egcg.138220/post-1688051

:huh:

not sure if this was a good example but anyways, i think this thread should be edited and add another option:
Yes/if this is flaming or insult (nothing relevant with hacks or advertising)
but as Khaled says, to avoid more flaming and etc should be wise imo, but as for me i wouldn't have any problem showing those things in the "proof" prefix.

 

[Miyeon]

There are many things changed in the MOD team, i was here before @Tobλ & @Dimer joining back and im still here working with them. And you all can see the difference between before and now, the forum is improved a lot. Do you think we didn't know about the proofs in the bans thread? But since it doesn't harm anyone or anything we kept it as it is now.

I will remind you again, my thread is Suggestion from normal player, for better forum. Please focus on this and refrain from talking about other things.

At the end we will discuss it in the MODs area and will see if we will allow it or not.

I appreciate you and MOD team's working. As your boss @Dimer said
https://postimages.org/
Staffs are here to SERVE US. OK Nice, thanks you!
I do create a poll in this thread, so everyone can share their thought about my suggestion. And you say that you and MOD team will allow it or not, then i wonder if our opinions are being heard or not? If 90% vote is Yes and MOD team said No then the answer will be NO?

Post automatically merged: December 26th , 2024

:huh:

not sure if this was a good example but anyways, i think this thread should be edited and add another option:
Yes/if this is flaming or insult (nothing relevant with hacks or advertising)
but as Khaled says, to avoid more flaming and etc should be wise imo, but as for me i wouldn't have any problem showing those things in the "proof" prefix.

Now i'm confusing, Proof is hidden but you can always ask for it via pm?
If you say so. Perhaps the "proof" should be direct link to create a PM to staff to request the proof.

 

[Luigir]

Now i'm confusing, Proof is hidden but you can always ask for it via pm?
If you say so. Perhaps the "proof" should be direct link to create a PM to staff to request the proof.

perhaps you should read again coz you literally saw Khaled and toby saying, proofs can be requested via PM? lel
and some goes for banned people for cheating but it cannot be visible in the thread.

If you say so. Perhaps the "proof" should be direct link to create a PM to staff to request the proof.

Maybe Toby can grant you that wish

 

[Miyeon]

perhaps you should read again coz you literally saw Khaled and toby saying, proofs can be requested via PM? lel

@Luigir You don't see this, do you?

Any player can request in private to see the proofs, except, of course, advertising proofs or, in some rare cases, cheating proofs that may contain sensitive information and other similar proofs.